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[QUOTE="orangecuse, post: 387277, member: 668"]
Interesting debate, and I think it really depends on [I]one's own thinking[/I]/point of view of what defines rival. Does it really matter that Rutgers were doormats for decades of yesteryear? The fact is, they are relevant today, and, objectively, it's immaterial as to why.
 
As a Browns fan, they have stunk now for many years and I doubt there are many 'ol Steeler fans getting razzled about playing them anymore. The main reason I believe is that in order for a true rivalry to exist, each team has to beat each other, at least on occasion. I can't recall the last time the Browns beat the Steelers, so I'm sure Steeler fans don't really think it's really a rival game anymore, not until the Browns can start beating them and their fans take notice again.
 
What about UConn hoops? I recall when they stunk, the Perno years, etc. I remember being in the Dome when Buffalo's own, Cliff Robinson, hit the big free throw to get UConn a win. SU fans were in disbelief that such a '[I]non-rival'[/I] pathetically historic team could come into the Dome and get the W...UConn is now considered a major rival, their poor ancient history is really irrelevant. They've beaten us on a regular basis and that's what [I]really[/I] fuels the fire imo, not that they were considered inconsequential for decades prior.
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