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Message: [QUOTE="SoBristol, post: 1834994, member: 485"] Don't believe he needs the full system completely down to start winning some games. He didn't need that long at his two previous stops. Consider how much the offense jumped at E Illinois in the first year, and how much at BGSU in the first half Babers' first season there (even after losing his starting QB). SU's 2015 team had to use a true frosh QB, then a walk-on QB; and has an exceptionally young defense. How much of any system did that young group have completely down? Still, they beat Wake and BC, lost close games to VA and Pitt, and covered the spread vs LSU and Clemson. Babers' 2016 team has 8 starters back on defense and all the skill players back on offense. The team will be better on both sides of the ball than in 2015, with enough offense installed to win games. Looking for 7 or 8 wins and a bowl. [/QUOTE]