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Teel Time: Big East unlikely to be in Orange Bowl pool to play ACC champ


By David Teel
4:56 p.m. EDT, July 31, 2012
The Orange Bowl has yet to unveil the teams it will consider to face the ACC champion in the 2014 season and beyond, but based on past conversations, and my Twitter feed Tuesday, fans in these parts adamantly oppose Big East involvement.
Tuesday’s objections came when Nick Carparelli, a Big East associate commissioner, told ESPN that the Orange might include the Big East winner in its pool of opponents for the ACC champ.
I doubt that happens. The Orange Bowl and ACC have started conversations with other potential partners, and absent a successor to former commissioner John Marinatto, the Big East has a leadership vacuum.

    • No offense to the Big East. It’s a conference replete with tradition —basketball, football and Olympic sports — and quality people.
But after a flurry of departures — Miami, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia and Texas Christian — the Big East lacks the marquee programs a New Year’s Day bowl such as the Orange needs to fill seats and fuel television ratings.
Louisville, Rutgers and South Florida? Cincinnati, Connecticut and Boise State?
Several have had their moments, especially Boise State, as Oklahoma, Georgia and Virginia Tech, among others, can attest. But collectively, with college football reconfiguring postseason for 2014-25, the Big East’s 12-team alignment does not inspire and is more likely to create a separate bowl home for its champion.
The ACC, of course, has its own football issues.
Former dynasties Miami and Florida State have faded considerably. Jimbo Fisher’s Seminoles appear to be regaining traction, but there’s no telling how harsh the NCAA’s sanctions of the Hurricanes will be for the Evan Shapiro mess.
Virginia Tech has won at least 10 games for eight consecutive seasons, and Clemson is fresh off its first league championship in 20 years, assets both. But the ACC, from top to bottom, continues to fall short against quality non-conference opponents.
Still, the Orange Bowl renewed ties with the ACC for 12 years, and the mission now is to craft the best available pool of opponents. That pool, by the way, will help determine how much ESPN, NBC or Fox is willing to pay for broadcast rights.
According to the Sports Business Journal, ESPN is ponying up $80 million each per year for the Rose Bowl and so-called Champions Bowl, a partnership between the Southeastern Conference and Big 12. The Orange won’t fetch as much, but the more attractive the potential matchup, the closer the Orange will get.
Which opponents/conferences would sell the most tickets and attract the most eyeballs?
When not otherwise obligated to the playoff semifinals, the answer is a combination of non-champions from the SEC, Big Ten and Big 12, and Notre Dame.
The SEC’s staggering run of national championships — six straight and counting — will end, but the league will remain a force. The Big Ten’s Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Nebraska are reliable draws. As the Big Eight from the 1950s-1990s, the Big 12 champion called the Orange Bowl home.
Recent (and future?) struggles notwithstanding, Notre Dame would enhance the Orange Bowl mix. Not to take when the Fighting Irish are pedestrian, but when they win at least nine regular-season games.
Are all of the aforementioned parties — SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 and Notre Dame — interested in joining with the Orange Bowl and ACC? If the money is right, one would think.
For example, outside the BCS, the most lucrative bowl is the Capital One, which pairs the Big Ten and SEC in Orlando, Fla., and pays $4.5 million per team. The Orange should be worth exponentially more.
Would a three-loss Notre Dame or Ohio State be more attractive to the Orange Bowl and the ACC than a once-beaten, or even undefeated, Big East champion? If the Big East team was top-10 caliber?
Absent national stakes, and 99 times out of 100, absolutely.
That’s the way of the bowl world, and that’s why the Big East is unlikely to land in the Orange mix.








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I like the idea of the Big Ten/ND hybrid.
 
I like the idea of the Big Ten/ND hybrid.

I kinda like the idea of ND/Best of the Rest vs ACC. Chances are good that you are playing a 11-1...possibly 12-0 team vs ACC.

This could offer a fantastic payout as well.
 
I kinda like the idea of ND/Best of the Rest vs ACC. Chances are good that you are playing a 11-1...possibly 12-0 team vs ACC.

This could offer a fantastic payout as well.

ND is no better than a few of the BE teams.

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ND is no better than a few of the BE teams.

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Yes but...eyeballs and fannies.

Do you take Notre Dame or Rutgers? Notre Dame or Temple? Notre Dame or Cincy?
 
Honestly...after ND is excluded from the orange bowl a few times, and they see a 10-2 (or god forbid 9-3) ACC team being included...their tune may change on joining a conference.
 
Yes but...eyeballs and fannies.

Do you take Notre Dame or Rutgers? Notre Dame or Temple? Notre Dame or Cincy?

I wasn't responding to a post about eyeballs and fannies. It was about records.

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I wasn't responding to a post about eyeballs and fannies. It was about records.

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I agree that most years ND isn't much better of a team than the best teams in the Big East. But this deal will be about money, not records. Bowls are meaningless exhibition games, so the ACC wants to play the teams that will draw the biggest payout I would imagine.
 
I agree that most years ND isn't much better of a team than the best teams in the Big East. But this deal will be about money, not records. Bowls are meaningless exhibition games, so the ACC wants to play the teams that will draw the biggest payout I would imagine.

I agree that money drives these choices...in a big way. Most people understand that, but it wasn't the context of the post. The OB would be nuts to take an 11-1 Cincy over an 8-4 ND.

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note one important fact here vs the other contract bowls...Rose and Champions...each of these splits equally dollars among each conference/team from conference...BUT: the ACC really owns the Orange Bowl..so a payout of $50 million or more would fetch the ACC teams more than other conferences get at $80 million. For example: Orange Bowl payout is $55 million...pay competing team $5-$8 million (significantly more than other bowls payout outside of contract bowls) and the ACC keeps $43-$46 million...WOW...more dollars than the other conferences with $40 million from their contract bowls. So the big number is $50+ million...keep your eye on that number and if beaten...the ACC is a whole lot richer and probably more some would have you think!
 
the bigeast champion should be pitted up against the 4th place mac team in the poulon weedeater bowl.

i hope theres a way for the ACC Champ to keep more of the payout than whoever they play. a 60/40 scenario at worst.
 
ND is no better than a few of the BE teams.

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That may be true right now but with the way they've recruited and Kelly being a pretty good coach they'll be back to elite status soon.
 
i hope theres a way for the ACC Champ to keep more of the payout than whoever they play. a 60/40 scenario at worst.

That's what I'm thinking too. Not sure where Arby is getting 90/10 or whatever. Except for ND any OB payout goes to a conference, not the individual team representing that conference.



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That's what I'm thinking too. Not sure where Arby is getting 90/10 or whatever. Except for ND any OB payout goes to a conference, not the individual team representing that conference.



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The ACC owns the bowl...they can set the payout rates. Think about it...Notre Dame would be happy to keep $5-8M all by themselves if they play in the Orange Bowl. A third place Big Four whatever team would be happy to collect $5-8M which would be more than whatever bowl they would be slotted into. A BE/MWC/CUSA 12-0 or 11-1 team would be happy to collect $5-8M for their respective conference. If the Orange Bowl gets signed for $50M the ACC should be close to the other conferences...it it goes for $60M they are leading the pack.
 
That may be true right now but with the way they've recruited and Kelly being a pretty good coach they'll be back to elite status soon.

Who is to say that Kelly lasts at ND?
 
Who is to say that Kelly lasts at ND?

nothing...but I do believe ND people think he's the right coach for the job; just like Syracuse people think that Marrone is the right coach for the job.
 
nothing...but I do believe ND people think he's the right coach for the job; just like Syracuse people think that Marrone is the right coach for the job.

That may be and he may be a good coach. On a personal level he strikes me as an A-hole.
 
Honestly...after ND is excluded from the orange bowl a few times, and they see a 10-2 (or god forbid 9-3) ACC team being included...their tune may change on joining a conference.
ive been pounding this drum as well, but scooch keeps telling me that the $$ nd is bound to get will be so significant that they can stay indy... thus keeping the old alumni happy and still put enough $$ away to continue to do so.

i believe him, which sucks because i believe theyve slipped enough to the point that confs could really put the squeeze on them schedule wise and help them continue to slip into irrelevency.
 
ive been pounding this drum as well, but scooch keeps telling me that the $$ nd is bound to get will be so significant that they can stay indy... thus keeping the old alumni happy and still put enough $$ away to continue to do so.

i believe him, which sucks because i believe theyve slipped enough to the point that confs could really put the squeeze on them schedule wise and help them continue to slip into irrelevency.

To be fair, I'm an idiot.
 
Or the sound of people at happy hour, at dinner or commuting home...or maybe taking buzz shaws advice. Your post was 45 freakin minutes after his.

But I've met Scooch, and well, his self assessment wasn't that far off...
 

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