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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 4774447, member: 289"] You said: "I would already put him ahead of Philcox and Nassib. As good as Philcox was, he only started for one year and Nassib was more game manager than playmaker." I'll accept the definition of a 'playmaker' as a quarterback who can leave the pocket and create plays and Shrader certainly outranks Nassib in that department by a wide margin. But a good pocket passer is more than a 'game manager'. Game manager is a title usually given to a QB of limited skills who can play well enough for his teammates to win the game. The QB most often cited as a game manage is Trent Dilfer, who quarterbacked the first Ravens Super Bowl champions. He wasn't Dan Marino and he wasn't Randall Cunningham. In our history, Ryan Nassib was an excellent pocket passer like Marino, not a scrambled like Cunningham. He wasn't our Trent Dilfer. [/QUOTE]