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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 4774838, member: 289"] Ryan Nassib started the last three years of his career and put up strong numbers each year, not just in his final year: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html[/URL] Both he and Shrader managed games. Managing a game means getting the team in the right formation and the right play. Traditionally to describe a QB as a "game manager" is to suggest that that's all he does and that he's not unusually skilled at either passing, running or playmaking when things break down. It is a phrase that has been used to damn with faint praise, which is why I reacted as I did. Shrader may well be better than Nassib and might well have done as well or better if they switched teams. That is beside the point. Both were too good to be described as 'game managers'. And with that, I'm moving on. [/QUOTE]