Texas wants to stay at 10 with ND in for all sports but football

[omniorange]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/brett-mcmurphy/19124774

Is it me, or has anyone else noticed that anytime expansion involves a Southern team, the internet world is full up with mixed messages.

Colorado to Pac-12, done slyly on the side. Pitt and SU to the ACC, dead of night. Nebraska to the BiG silence until it became clear that they were willing to go and Texas wasn't.

Miami to the ACC, Texas to the BiG, Texas to the Pac, FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 mixed messages.

So far, only the first came to fruition.

Let's hope calmer heads prevail at least at FSU. Hate to lose the Tigers, but that hit the league could survive. Losing both FSU and Clemson would leave the ACC badly wounded.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Faegan]

What an ass Dodds is. So arrogant. As one of the comments to the articles reads, there's a reason why A&M, Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska left that conference. That reason is Texas. Any school looking to leave the ACC should be taking a long, hard look at that reality.

 

[javadoc]

What an ass Dodds is. So arrogant. As one of the comments to the articles reads, there's a reason why A&M, Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska left that conference. That reason is Texas. Any school looking to leave the ACC should be taking a long, hard look at that reality.

Poor FSU. Spending too much money, getting into debt, and they think that the Russian mob is now an attractive financier.

 

[KaiserUEO]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/brett-mcmurphy/19124774

Is it me, or has anyone else noticed that anytime expansion involves a Southern team, the internet world is full up with mixed messages.

Colorado to Pac-12, done slyly on the side. Pitt and SU to the ACC, dead of night. Nebraska to the BiG silence until it became clear that they were willing to go and Texas wasn't.

Miami to the ACC, Texas to the BiG, Texas to the Pac, FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 mixed messages.

So far, only the first came to fruition.

Let's hope calmer heads prevail at least at FSU. Hate to lose the Tigers, but that hit the league could survive. Losing both FSU and Clemson would leave the ACC badly wounded.

Cheers,
Neil

anyone leaving the east coast for oklahoma, kansas and iowa...must think its 1880 something. and with the consolation being arkansas and wv...theyd also have to be out their mind.

the point that OrangePa is trying to make, but its too far off...is that at some point, if the east coast and their 60% or so of the US population decides its tired of watching NFL minor league teams in the south and midwest, then those tv $$$ will dry up.

but when that happens, SU could already be dead. and RIGHT NOW, we have a chance to not let that happen.

 

[omniorange]

anyone leaving the east coast for oklahoma, kansas and iowa...must think its 1880 something. and with the consolation being arkansas and wv...theyd also have to be out their mind.

the point that OrangePa is trying to make, but its too far off...is that at some point, if the east coast and their 60% or so of the US population decides its tired of watching NFL minor league teams in the south and midwest, then those tv $$$ will dry up.

but when that happens, SU could already be dead. and RIGHT NOW, we have a chance to not let that happen.

Believe me, I've been championing an East Coast conference being in the best interests of the sport like forever. College basketball got a huge burst thanks to Magic/Bird, but it carried over into the 80s on the backs of the ACC and the Big East and then lost steam in the 90s.

Unfortunately, I believe the power players in college athletics are afraid of it happening in football, mainly because it is the media center of the world. So, in some ways, Townie's counter-agrument is correct. In an ACC Armageddon scenario, the East Coast still watches, it just watches SEC games (NC and Va. become SEC states along with Florida and Georgia that they have already) and the northeast watches PSU and ND games. This won't increase the northeast viewership, but it does keep the power in the hands of the SEC and the BiG.

SEC is the huge winner in this scenario with the Big 12 a secondary winner. The BiG doesn't gain much in terms of football viewership because even if they take UNC and UVa, those states being southern culture will follow the SEC moreso than the BiG except for perhaps when UNC or Va plays PSU.

If Delany sees this as possibility, the BiG might try to return to the ND, Maryland, and two of Pitt, SU, BC, or Rutgers strategy. And I don't like SU's chances in that scenario.

But right now, I don't believe the ACC Armageddon strategy plays out. Trying to manuever 10 teams to three different conferences is simply too much effort. Heck, we saw what happened in the summer of 2010 trying to get 6 teams to move to one conference.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Stern]

Ivan Maisel of ESPN believes both FSU and Clemson are gone and will jump to the Big 12.

Take it for what its worth.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Ivan Maisel of ESPN believes both FSU and Clemson are gone and will jump to the Big 12.

Take it for what its worth.

Not much. FSU and Clemson are not going to send their hopops teams and Olympic sports out to Lubbock and Waco and Ames and Stillwater for the sake of earning 1 or 2 million dollars more playing football against Texas and Oklahoma every couple of year. I'm ar the point where I'm willing to bet the farm that both FSU and Clemson will never sell out their heritage to play the Hoopies, Okies and their Dustbowl Buddies.

 

[Guinness]

It has been reported FSU did not want Texas in the ACC and now they cannot wait to join them in the Big12? :noidea:

 

[SmilinBob]

It has been reported FSU did not want Texas in the ACC and now they cannot wait to join them in the Big12? :noidea:

Or it started a dialog between the 2 schools. Texas, I mean the big 12, went after the two best big east teams football wise, WV and TCU and now it has a position of strength that may appeal to FSU.

It's possible Dodds doesn't want too many football factories in the Big 12 if they beat up on his Longhorns and since adding wv and tcu it is a pretty tough conference. But...it could be a way of getting ND and if it doesn't work they go hard after FSU/Clemson. Texas pride/ego is a funny thing and letting the SEC get A&M AND be the #1 football factory might just be too much for Dodds and the rest of the big money Texans to allow to happen, they won't go down easily and will throw money out there to get what they want. It'll be very interesting to see how Dodds plays this, will he go for the stronger conference or be content with a 10 team Big 12.