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Message: [QUOTE="PhatOrange, post: 4841739, member: 229"] I'm not advocating for the guy at all, but that was over 10 years ago (and people develop professionally) and you're kind of cherry picking. In 2009 they were 9-4 and he was AHC/OC/OL. He was involved in their best run ever. I don't need a retort about watered down schedules and all that nonsense. I'm more interested in what a coach has done over the recent past (and his recent past is very good.) To me it's splitting hairs between him and a guy like Al Golden. I'd prefer neither but gun to my head I want the OL fixed. And I think it's safe to assume as the Texas OC he's pretty involved no? They're 10-1. There is no CO in his title. you should maybe do some fact checking. Herb Hand is not even at Texas. [URL unfurl="true"]https://texassports.com/sports/football/coaches[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://ucfknights.com/staff/herb-hand[/URL] [/QUOTE]