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Message: [QUOTE="Cowtown, post: 1018681, member: 2350"] Who initiated the contact is less important than who has position. When the defender left his feet and jumped [I]toward [/I]the shooter (as in, not [U]straight up[/U] to which he's entitled) he gave up his legal guarding position. Therefore, since he doesn't have position, he's liable for the contact attendant to his being out of position. It's not the NBA, where the stars get every call. When you're out of position, you're lucky to get a "no call." The only ref you can fool with that is a new one, and there are none in the round of eight. Believe it. Way too many posters here know little about position, and yet it's critical. The refs are nowhere near as stupid as fans often think they are. At least the refs know what position is, and how it bears on the play. For those who want to argue rules, first learn the rules. [/QUOTE]