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Message: [QUOTE="omniorange, post: 2699773, member: 636"] Surprisingly I actually agree with your overall point about "secret agreements" or even "gentlemen's agreements" not making logical sense, but then nothing about what happened in the 2003, 2011, and 2012 ACC additions is logical unless one considers that the criteria of determining "best available option" changing at each of those additions. In 2003 we were far and away the best option after Miami. It wasn't even close when examining the athletics history of the previous 10 years. BC actually was the least of the four options discussed and honestly they should have been fifth behind WVU but at that point academics meant something to the ACC. Meanwhile VT, the logical third choice didn't even have votes to receive a campus visit per ACC conference guidelines with expansion candidates but had to be shoe-horned in later via political manipulation, the inability to sell an identity change, and good ole southern deviousness. ;) In 2011 we were actually first coveted (not counting Texas or ND, who weren't joining full anyway), but in terms of what was actually accomplished athletics wise the previous 10 years we should have been behind Pitt, UConn, and most definitely WVU and probably even Louisville if, as mentioned above, academics didn't matter, which amazingly a year later it didn't. And in 2012 had academics mattered like it supposedly did in the previous two rounds, than UConn should have been added, but surprisingly it was Louisville and it wasn't even close. Anyway there certainly seems like something was fishy that we went from a clear #2 though not invited as one of the eventual three invites in 2003 (though BC's invite came so late that they had to wait to 2005 to get in) to probably the weakest of the available candidates in 2011 but first in line. Logic doesn't explain it based upon the facts known to the general public. Others, however, may know things you don't or having a keener mind being able to deduce things sometimes hidden from others. Cheers, Neil [/QUOTE]

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