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Message: [QUOTE="Shark90210, post: 1544396, member: 5523"] For me, the bottom line is that I just cant accept striving to be 6-6 each year. With Shafer, thats about the ceiling. Great guy.bad coach. Its nothing that hasnt been said 100 times in 100 threads already. But its true. I think every single "fire" Shafer guy wanted him to succeed, i know i did, but it isnt working. Another year wont change who Shafer is. People dont change. Kids will not leave, we will not fall in to an endless rebuild. We will be better in year 1 of a new coach than we are now. I dont think it will be close. I guess Coyle will let us all know in a few weeks. [/QUOTE]