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Message: [QUOTE="Louie and Bouie, post: 1545599, member: 793"] It's your opinion that Dungey was an upgrade for this season's win total. Factually, we'll never know. I do believe Dungey is a better player but have no idea how the season plays out with Hunt as a starter. All we know is Hunt was named the starter by the staff. As far as Vegas if they knew we had a true freshman starting the season it's not a stretch to say the O/U would have moved down to 4 from 4.5. Upperclassmen QB's do provide value as far as these things go. My point is, and one that doesn't seem to be discussed often, that although the individual expectations of fans weren't met (and those expectations ramped up after our 1st 4 games) does not = the team underachieved. I trust the business of Vegas and for good reason over sports fans when it comes to realistic expectations. It's the only way one can attempt to be objective about the situation. The we shoulda, coulda, woulda game is a circular argument. [/QUOTE]