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Message: [QUOTE="DoctorBombay, post: 1458895, member: 626"] Reading some posts in this thread reminds me of how I feel when I'm talking to my 14-year old about the value of her history class. History gives us a mirror as to how we got here and why we are WHAT we are. It's all-important, IMO. Its mindboggling that some in our microwave society lose all sight of the value of a historical perspective. Rutgers can't touch us as a program, just like we can't touch an ND, OSU, 'Bama and many other upper-level programs...largely BECAUSE of their history and tradition- and no matter how many winning seasons we manage to put together. The real issue here is that those other program's fans KNOW and BELIEVE this to be the case- no doubt about it. How pathetic is it that a few years' tailspin has resulted in such utter self-loathing, combined with a requisite incomprehensible jock-sniffing, of a totally bogus RU program. Sad, just...sad. JMHO [/QUOTE]