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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 1459682, member: 4809"] ;););):(;) what is equally important about history is that we LEARN from it.reiterating and knowing our storied past is point of pride. great. does it make up for the current state of affairs that we have been in????no. we dwell on it,feed off it,and use it as an excuse for what a wonderful program we have. thus do not adjust to the in our face reality of the recent decade. i think the ipf was a step in the right direction, as the dome was back in the day. to deny rutgers has not had an impact on us is silly. the reality of that impact is not lessened by our tradition. rutgers is not a powerhouse, my irritation is with arrogance that we are superior but have not performed that way. in short de nial is more than a river-- [/QUOTE]