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Message: [QUOTE="HtownOrange, post: 2378979, member: 622"] Every Orange fan knows. Every Clemson fans knows. Every fan of a potential playoff team knows. Every ACC fan knows. VATech fans know and are very appreciate. (They would have hated being the "fluke" you spoke of in a prior post). Fans of CFB see me in my Syracuse gear and know right away that Syracuse beat Clemson (Hint: Htown = Houston which happens to have a number of CFB schools with rich football traditions in a day's drive) LSU fans know. FSU fans Know. Miami fans know. NCState fans...may or may not know, they tend to live in a Rutgers' type or "reality". Hang in there, Babers is on the right track. We can continue to watch Rutgers self destruct. Who knows, Ash may lead them to Schianoesque mediocrity. If so they will still get no respect because the B1G wants UM/tOSU/UNL/PedState type performance before the get real respect (see Wiscy, MState). [/QUOTE]