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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 2668231, member: 2585"] It really comes down to what you think "national relevance" means. If you think it's impossible for the NE to be nationally relevant and you want to compare it to the south - then sure. If you want to have the definition being top 25, battling for a P5 division - then that's doable (and even likely between Cuse, Pitt, BC). But saying "hey, Rutgers and Syracuse are not relevant on the national stage like FSU" is a pretty simple truth that no one here is arguing. And none of that makes it less fun to laugh at the Rutgers dumpster fire. Also the point is - FSU has more history in MBB and Cuse has more history in CFB, than Rutgers has in their entire athletic dept. So, yeah. It is what it is. (I'd echo [USER=3410]Trueblue25[/USER] - stick around. We're not always picking fights ;) ) [/QUOTE]