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Message: [QUOTE="orangeinjersey, post: 3116177, member: 1961"] Has a coach ever been as abysmal as Ash and turned it around in year 4? 7-29 in three seasons. I mean has a coach won less than i dunno lets say 10 games in 3 seasons and "turned it around" in year 4? Isnt it safe to say that after 3 seasons, there should be SOME signs of progress? And I'm not just dumping on Rutty, I'm talking about any school. Our own included with Gerg and Shafer. Scotty boy was 14-23 after 3 seasons. Edit: Mike Macintyre at Colorado, went 10-29 through 3 seasons, went 10-3 in year 4. Was fired two seasons later [/QUOTE]