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[QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 3830602, member: 2585"]
Oh, we're to the use "guy" or "bruh" portion of the discussion? lol.

Final thoughts, respectfully:

1. My first point stands. They are not eating our lunch. They haven't been dominating anything. Their recruiting class, while nice, is early and they've had a history of those guys not making it to campus or leaving, etc. To give Shady credit, he's coached in the NFL and at Ohio St. He's the lone good coach in their history and known commodity in NJ. He's no Ash or Flood.

2. Our recruits are 17 or 18. They've realistically been following college football for 5 or 6 years. That's why I've been bringing up 2018 and the 10 win season and 2017's win over #2 Clemson (I'd bet that the third data point would be the viral locker room moment after beating VaTech in '16). Also keep in mind, the elite kids aren't really looking at either school. Neither have been great, obviously

Here's the data from the last 6 years:

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH]Program[/TH]
[TH]Overall Wins[/TH]
[TH]Conf Wins[/TH]
[TH]Simple Rating System (0 is average)[/TH]
[TH]Bowl Wins[/TH]
[TH]Top 25 Wins[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Syracuse[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]-1.27[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rutgers[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]-6.0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Keep in mind, I included 2020 which will go down with a huge asterisk IMO. If you leave off 2020, they have 4 conference wins in 5 years. We'd have 14 over that same span.

EDIT: They've had 1 10 win season in the last 20 years and didn't beat a top 2 team in that span. They beat #3 Louisville in what remains the biggest win in school history. That was 15 years ago.
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