The Buddy turnover with 6 to go

[Cuse_NYC]

Turned out to be the game. I’m sorry, but as good as Buddy was in the first two tournament games last yr, he never makes a big shot/play for us.

 

[Nicknack]

It's not a popular take on here, but I've said it before... Buddy is a fine college basketball player, but vastly overrated. Anyone who wants to argue the point, please include stats.

 

[Orangezoo]

It's not a popular take on here, but I've said it before... Buddy is a fine college basketball player, but vastly overrated. Anyone who wants to argue the point, please include stats.

Any normal hoops junkie could have shared the excitement after last years tourney run that he could be special this year.

In that same breath is to be said for the disappointment in him once again struggling for half the season and not growing much at all game wise.

 

[orange79]

Turned out to be the game. I’m sorry, but as good as Buddy was in the first two tournament games last yr, he never makes a big shot/play for us.

"never"

lol

 

[Manleymen]

Buddy is a ball hog pure and simple. He is intent on one thing and one thing only when he gets the ball and that is how do I get my shot? He dribbles with his head down so he cannot find his teammates in a timely/quick manner. I think everyone can agree he does not make his teammates better as they stand around for 30 seconds and he does the Buddy backdown. This is the elephant in the room. As a Senior his lack of leadership is lacking. What does he contribute besides shooting?

 

[CuseFaninVT]

It's not a popular take on here, but I've said it before... Buddy is a fine college basketball player, but vastly overrated. Anyone who wants to argue the point, please include stats.

It’s really not his fault his coach overuses him nor is it his fault his coach allows him to make so many mistakes without repercussions

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Buddy is a ball hog pure and simple. He is intent on one thing and one thing only when he gets the ball and that is how do I get my shot? He dribbles with his head down so he cannot find his teammates in a timely/quick manner. I think everyone can agree he does not make his teammates better as they stand around for 30 seconds and he does the Buddy backdown. This is the elephant in the room. As a Senior his lack of leadership is lacking. What does he contribute besides shooting?

spacing


that’s for you Ghost

 

[Orangezoo]

It’s really not his fault his coach overuses him nor is it his fault his coach allows him to make so many mistakes without repercussions

Yep. If your coach is giving you the ultimate green light without any limits and you follow suit, whose to blame when it doesn't work out? Certainly not Buddy's.

 

[Orangezoo]

Buddy is a ball hog pure and simple. He is intent on one thing and one thing only when he gets the ball and that is how do I get my shot? He dribbles with his head down so he cannot find his teammates in a timely/quick manner. I think everyone can agree he does not make his teammates better as they stand around for 30 seconds and he does the Buddy backdown. This is the elephant in the room. As a Senior his lack of leadership is lacking. What does he contribute besides shooting?

As VT said- this is the role JB carved out for him.

 

[OrangeDW]

Buddy is a ball hog pure and simple. He is intent on one thing and one thing only when he gets the ball and that is how do I get my shot? He dribbles with his head down so he cannot find his teammates in a timely/quick manner. I think everyone can agree he does not make his teammates better as they stand around for 30 seconds and he does the Buddy backdown. This is the elephant in the room. As a Senior his lack of leadership is lacking. What does he contribute besides shooting?

He should be a guy who looks to shoot first and foremost because that is what he’s good at….but that means catch and shoot open shots.

This ISO Buddy backdown crap is almost as bad as the Howard-Battle dribble weave until there’s 5 on the shotclock and then jack a contested 19 footer off the dribble.

 

[samspann1]

It’s really not his fault his coach overuses him nor is it his fault his coach allows him to make so many mistakes without repercussions

True, but I can’t recall seeing a starting P5 guard that’s incapable of dribbling behind his back.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Yep. If your coach is giving you the ultimate green light without any limits and you follow suit, whose to blame when it doesn't work out? Certainly not Buddy's.

It’s not much different than my 2nd graders rec league. They don’t call traveling and double dribbles. And they wonder why the kids continue to do that.

 

[djcon57]

It’s really not his fault his coach overuses him nor is it his fault his coach allows him to make so many mistakes without repercussions

Agreed. Buddy‘s getting too much heat. He’s doing what he’s expected to do for whatever insane reason. Additionally, while his defense is subpar, it downgrades to really really bad when he’s gassed which usually happens at the non perfect time down the stretch. Again, not his fault. Play him proper mins with a good surrounding cast. He’d be a very good/great college player.

That said, he was overrated by everyone including us in the offseason due to a 5 or so game run last year.

 

[Nicknack]

I think probably all of us love Buddy. What's not to love? That said, it's frustrating as hell to see him being utilized like he's an All American. He just isn't. The fact that he rarely passes the ball, gets nearly 40 minutes a game, and his defense is awful is also frustrating. Like I said before, Buddy is a solid college basketball player who would be amazing coming off the bench. However, the way that our team was constructed, he has become the focal point. Interesting how that works.

 

[AZOrange]

He should be a guy who looks to shoot first and foremost because that is what he’s good at….but that means catch and shoot open shots.

This ISO Buddy backdown crap is almost as bad as the Howard-Battle dribble weave until there’s 5 on the shotclock and then jack a contested 19 footer off the dribble.

He and Cole and Joe pass up good three looks for these slow “penetrating” drives that result in TOs or much harder shots. I think JB calls that “getting to the rim”

 

[OrangeDW]

He and Cole and Joe pass up good three looks for these slow “penetrating” drives that result in TOs or much harder shots. I think JB calls that “getting to the rim”

Easing into the lane “like an old man into a nice, warm bath.” - Costanza on the Andrea Doria

 

[CardiacCuse]

Buddy is a ball hog pure and simple. He is intent on one thing and one thing only when he gets the ball and that is how do I get my shot? He dribbles with his head down so he cannot find his teammates in a timely/quick manner. I think everyone can agree he does not make his teammates better as they stand around for 30 seconds and he does the Buddy backdown. This is the elephant in the room. As a Senior his lack of leadership is lacking. What does he contribute besides shooting?

i think this is what hes being coached to do...its by design.

for whatever reason JB just doesnt see how much buddy isos are hampering this team. he is blind to it.

earlier in the season a lot of the other sets werent working so its just been his de facto offense moving forward, unfortunately...bc buddy just isnt delivering.

JB just lacks objectivity with his sons

but even in the tyus battle teams etc it seemed similar in that he would stubbornly hold on to patterns of play that werent working...hes become much more rigid and formulaic. quick thinking and flexible opposing coaching staffs are having a field day against him in this era.

i doubt it gets better once his sons leave,,,,it will get better but not much, imo

 

[kcsu]

Buddy is going to do well playing in Greece.

 

[UD1954]

Buddy should of did what Malachi did and turned Pro last year after his Tournament run ... he's been exposed by staying. Since the NBA drafts on potential Buddy might of gotten a contract last year before beginning his career overseas.

 

[Manleymen]

Any normal hoops junkie could have shared the excitement after last years tourney run that he could be special this year.

In that same breath is to be said for the disappointment in him once again struggling for half the season and not growing much at all game wise.

I agree. Show some basketball growth please. Become a well rounded player. Benny has taken heat for lack of growth as a , but what can Buddy do besides shoot? And he has had four years to improve in every aspect but shooting.

Yep. If your coach is giving you the ultimate green light without any limits and you follow suit, whose to blame when it doesn't work out? Certainly not Buddy's.

That may be true but I don't know how you face your teammates by constantly shooting and not even attempting to include them. Only when he has exhausted every option to try and get his shot off. My guess is they aren't going to endanger playing time from the coach. I am sure more than a couple of them suffer in silence,

 

[Orangezoo]

I agree. Show some basketball growth please. Become a well rounded player. Benny has taken heat for lack of growth as a , but what can Buddy do besides shoot? And he has had four years to improve in every aspect but shooting.

That may be true but I don't know how you face your teammates by constantly shooting and not even attempting to include them. Only when he has exhausted every option to try and get his shot off. My guess is they aren't going to endanger playing time from the coach. I am sure more than a couple of them suffer in silence,

Joe and Cole aren't the types to be upset over Buddy getting more shots. The end result of not winning? Sure but not so much Buddy's shot numbers. That leaves Symir, Frank, Jesse and Benny. Symir is the only one I could see a little flustered and rightfully so. Otherwise it's the fanbase not the teammates. Given the roster makeup and the connections these guys have you could argue it's by design. There is nothing about this roster makeup that puts Buddy at risk of being the alpha.

Might I add that come end of last year, Buddy being the alpha was not a problem. He made his case and it was a damn good one. Then he came in this year and was ice cold more than hot and looked like the same player but lacking the consistency in his shot, even when wide open. He is now at the point where he has to go off every game to meet his shooting numbers from last year.

 

[bigmike]

JMHO, but I believe BB would become a much more dangerous player if he simply learned to pass when they double and triple him. He has the shooters to kick to, and making an occasional pass will open up his back down game.

 

[Manleymen]

Joe and Cole aren't the types to be upset over Buddy getting more shots. The end result of not winning? Sure but not so much Buddy's shot numbers. That leaves Symir, Frank, Jesse and Benny. Symir is the only one I could see a little flustered and rightfully so. Otherwise it's the fanbase not the teammates. Given the roster makeup and the connections these guys have you could argue it's by design. There is nothing about this roster makeup that puts Buddy at risk of being the alpha.

Might I add that come end of last year, Buddy being the alpha was not a problem. He made his case and it was a damn good one. Then he came in this year and was ice cold more than hot and looked like the same player but lacking the consistency in his shot, even when wide open. He is now at the point where he has to go off every game to meet his shooting numbers from last year

 

[Manleymen]

Lots of truth in what you say. He was nothing short of spectacular last season. I admit not knowing a great deal about Joe/Cole/Buddy but read here and there that they spent a lot of time together this past summer. Not sure if that is true. Nothing wrong with that. If it is true then I suspect they would not bring up anything to the other two which is understandable. And also infuriate the coach. I just don't understand they way the offense flows now - how you develop our big men, by basically ignoring them and let the offense focus exclusively on Buddy/Joe/Cole/Jimmy/. And all that's left over for the bigs are is scraps from offensive board work and thrown an occasional bone down low.

 

[Manleymen]

JMHO, but I believe BB would become a much more dangerous player if he simply learned to pass when they double and triple him. He has the shooters to kick to, and making an occasional pass will open up his back down game.

I absolutely agree with that. In my mind he would be a top candidate for first team All-American if he just passed the ball. The voters would ignore his lack of defensive skills.