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[QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 1551711, member: 363"]
Good post, I think right now we are far worse than Indiana, probably other than wake and Kansas the worst P5 team out there.  Not really even close. I guess Purdue stinks too.  That said, who is to say we can ever be good again?  Nobody cares about how good we were 25 years ago.  Maybe we will always stink like wake and Indiana have?  Who knows but I have certainly seen enough of shafer to believe he  isn't going to get us to a satisfactory level .  We may very well never  be good again but the next hire isn't absolutely critical long term either, it's just another football coach that we hope doesn't stink to be honest.  The odds of us stinking for the next 10 years are certainly much greater than being a perennial top 25 program.  That said, if he stinks 3-4 years we will be like every other program and hiring/ firing again.  Stability stinks when you stink.

Wake, Indiana and Kansas have always stunk, maybe we will too.  Too bad Kansas had a great coach but he was a fat loon. Mangino?  Unless we have somebody who is willing to really open up the coffers we may not ever return to a competitive level.  I mantain my original point though that firing shafer isn't that difficult and finding a decent replacement who on paper at least looks promising up front isn't terribly difficult.  Then the fun starts and it's all a crap shoot but you aren't going ANYWHERE with the current HC.  I just disagree with how critical the next coach is as well because he only needs to win 6 games to be a hero because again we stink.
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