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[QUOTE="GoSU96, post: 1551880, member: 114"]
You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Stanford, 4 yrs before Harbaugh, 14-31, 4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 12-1, Andrew Luck at QB.  Same record after three years as Marrone.

Baylor, 15-31 4 yrs before Briles, 4-8, 4-8,  7-6, 10-3, RGIII came in as a freshmen with him.  25-25 after 4.

Duke, 4-42, 4-8, 5-7, 3-9, 3-9.  15-33 after 4.

Stanford and Baylor started in better condition and had a Heisman runner up and Heisman winner at QB respectively.

Harbaugh, Briles, and Cutcliffe had already been successful at their previous head coaching jobs while Marrone matched them in his first.   Still want to tell me how 25-25 isn't good given what those other programs did over the same time frame?

As for current state, yeah those other programs are now further along because they were able to keep the good hires they made or made a good call on the replacement and have invested substantially more than SU in the same time period.

That still doesn't mean that the next guy won't be picking up a program in much, much better shape than where this program was at the end of 2008.

Those other programs have also invested substantially more than SU.   Stanford did a stadium remodel in 2006, as noted has a lot of financial resources, and built a new 21M football facility that was completed in 2013.   Baylor built a brand new state of the art stadium $266M stadium and new state of the art lockerroom, opened last year.  Duke has sunk a ton of money into facilities as well.
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