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The Dino Babers Show (9/6/18)

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Coach Babers’s first show this year show will be Wednesday night at 7PM because the first game is Friday, (the show will normally be two days before the next game). The show will originate from PressRoom Pub, located at 220 Herald Place in Syracuse's historic Herald Square, each week this season.

This article contains the schedule:
AmeriCU Dino Babers Show Moves to PressRoom Pub - Syracuse University Athletics

You can also listen to the show live each week on the Syracuse IMG Sports Network and Cuse.com. Wednesday's show will be on 99.1 FM and 97.7 FM, as well. The show will regularly air on 99.5FM (Syracuse) 99.1 FM (Utica) and 1200 AM.”
You can also get it on: Listen to The Jim Bohannon Show on WGVA on TuneIn

There hasn’t been any change in the phone numbers, which last year were 315-424-8599 (local) or 1-888-746-2873. You can call to ask questions or submit them via Twitter at: Syracuse IMG Sports (@CuseIMG) | Twitter
Or through Cuse.com, (the SU Athletic website):
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You can (or could last year, anyway), listen to a podcast of the show, probably the next day, at: Search results for babers | Free Internet Radio | TuneIn
I’ve been asked to continue doing the summaries, even by people who listen to the podcasts. I may focus on the major points, rather than trying to record everything.


My Question(s)

“Coach, you’ve recruited a lot of good young players and have a bunch of experienced players in your starting line-up. Against Western Michigan, some of your veteran players didn’t have good games. One of them, a defensive back, was replaced by a highly recruited freshman and the game seemed to turn our way after that change. How flexible are you regarding replacing an under-performing experienced player with a less experienced player who may have more physical capabilities?”



The Show
(I sometimes re-arrange the comments so that statements made on the same subject are reported together, even if they came at different points of the show.)

(Once again it took 15 minutes to get my phone call through. They are “working on it”)

Dino said the first game was “A fantastic contest, a little better opponent than you’d like in an opener. I’m proud of how the guys played the first half. I was surprised at how much we dominated. The special teams were solid. I liked the fact that Dontae Strickland could have gone the distance with that on-sides kick but went out of bounds so we could have an opportunity to take time off the clock. If you watched the Appalachian State game they scored too quickly. If the other team doesn’t have a dynamic offense you can try to score quickly but if they do, you need to take time off the clock. I’m into math and time management….we don’t want to get away from the running game with the offensive line we have.” (I think if you are 20 points ahead, scoring might be the greater priority.)

They talked about the opening of the pro football season, Eagles vs. Falcons. One of the eagles is a guy he recruited. “I keep up with my old players”. Matt noted that Zaire franklin made it with the Colts. Dino noted that his old EIU quarterback, Jimmy Garoppalo, was doing well, signing a $159 million contract. Matt suggested that as his college coach, he should get 1% of that. Dino said all he ever got from a former player was a signed jersey. He’s coached 41 guys that played in the NFL.

I finally got through and asked my question. “Freshmen are freshman and sometimes sophomores are sophomores. Our problem on the deep balls was that our freshman free safety was playing too shallow. It’s not high school any more. A freshman thinks he’s OK and then he finds out the speed of the game. The same thing will happen in the NFL, although ironically, the NFL is a young man’s league. The players get worse as they get older...You always play the best guy. If someone is not playing well we need to play someone else. If it’s close we go with the experience but if it’s not close, we need to make a change. We need to respect the family.” Matt said that ten true freshmen had made the trip and that Andre Cisco is the first true freshman to start an opening game at free safety since Markus Paul in 1985.

John in Baltimore was noted to talk about inside runs vs. outside runs. He prefers the latter. DB: “we wanted a balanced attack. If they clog the inside, we want to go outside. If they clog the outside, we have to go inside. We have to do things based on what the defense gives us. Teams want to put us in a box and not let us get to the perimeter. It takes a special back to run inside the tackles.” (Do we have one?)

John also wondered if things would have worked out better if Chris Fredrick had been assigned to “follow Eskridge around”. Dino said “Later in the game, we did have Fredrick follow him around”. (I thought it was Williams covering him.)

Corey on twitter wanted Coach to rank the Star Wars films. He like Empire Strikes Back the most, then Return of the Jedi “and whatever you want for #3”. Matt asked him if he liked any of the more recent, computer-generated ones. “I’m old school.”

Coach compared Wagner to various Big Ten teams: “Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin. The use two tight ends and they come right at you. They shifted their tailback, (Denzel Knight) to wide receiver and he’s got blazing speed, kinda like the Western Michigan kid. The best players at the FCS level could play at the FBS level. With Jimmy Garoppalo I kept saying to myself “This kid has no business being at this level.” He went from zero stars to $159 million. “

Why do good players wind up at the FCS level? They mentioned grades or legal troubles. “But sometimes it’s being unselfish. They play a lot of positons in high school because their team needs them to and don’t get evaluated properly.”

Mark in NYC said he was the guy who hit a half-court shot at Knicks game while Dino was looking right at him and he still has the signed picture of Dino in his office. Dino said he knew it was going in as soon as he let go of it. Mark said he understood Dino was a fan of the new redshirt rule. Dino said his use of it will vary with the individual. “I’ll do what’s best for Ohana. You don’t want to use a top prospect if you might need him later in the season. The better you are, the best chance you have of playing early.” (Unless the player won’t be red-shirted at all.)

They discussed the new fan-friendly activities on the Quad. Dino said it will be a great place to meet old friends and classmates.

Mike on twitter asked what the biggest surprise was in the first game. It was Andre Szmyt, making every kick, although he had done the same in practice. “We thought about trying another long one but I didn’t want to spoil his debut.”

Someone asked if Dino was “the strongest head coach in the Power 5”. He didn’t think so, especially after shoulder surgery. “But I know where the gym it- it’s next to my office.”

Mike Lynch, the offensive coordinator, was the guest for the last few minutes of the show. His co-OC from last year, was the coach of the Kent State team that almost beat Illinois. Mike is pleased with the play of the offensive line ”Playing downhill and getting really physical”. (Did they?) Dakota Davis, Sam Heckel and Koda Martin were praised, as were Chris Elmore and Kyle Kleinburg, who won the “hitter of the week” award. Heckle will replace Evan Adams in the first half against Wagner.

He addressed the issue of using younger players or, at least, back-ups: “if it’s close and you don’t play somebody, my mid-season, a gap develops. You want to continue play guys.” (Meaning get both of them playing time.)

Jamal Custis’ catch and run was “awesome. He’s got those long arms. He used to be a basketball player. People are down on Devin Butler but he made a big block on that play. He’s had a great week of practice. He’s really stepped up.”

Wagner has a 3-4 look. Their D-line is the best part but they have an outside linebacker, Cam Gill, who is really good. They also have a kid from Nottingham, Sterling Lowery.” He’s a D-back. They also have Wil Clayton, a linebacker from Liverpool.
 
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Yes. The OL did a great job - our QB set a record running the ball. It wasn’t just individual running ability. Giant holes.

I know you don’t agree - but it was good to hear what coach was thinking up 20 in the 4th Re: clock.
 
Fantastic post, thanks SWC! A lot of good questions and info there and I agree with the older/young guy theory.

I think the OL will continue to improve as playing a tough opponent on the road led to some challenges they did not see while scrimmaging each other. I like how they can sub and still stay strong.

Reading that regarding using the 4 game Redshirt rule, curious to see how he'll do that for Wagner...not waste a game in case of injury later for the players he KNOWS he is going to play. I assume that if SU made a bowl, that counts as 1 of the 4 for the redshirts? Just wondering for the future. I'm thinking the Mississippi Thunder may be one he may wait on.

Blocking for a WR is often overlooked and it seems obvious Butler knows he has to turn it up a notch as a WR and hopefully WMU was his wake up call and we see a totally different player (in a good way) for the rest of the year.

I get to take what the D gives and if the O has the tools to execute the weak spot on D, that's wonderful. I'm glad that guy asked that question but you could see they took away the end around for Riley as well as there was always someone in his face on those fake handoffs, good reads by ED.
 
it does make you wonder though if the D baits you a bit with our philosophy . If they give us a look and we will go away from it do they then show us an outside scheme but anticipate and inside play? Same with coverages. Do we see certain looks and go away from certain plays and the D tries to make us do that so we dont call some kinds of plays, but those plays may also be the ones we run the best??
 
it does make you wonder though if the D baits you a bit with our philosophy . If they give us a look and we will go away from it do they then show us an outside scheme but anticipate and inside play? Same with coverages. Do we see certain looks and go away from certain plays and the D tries to make us do that so we dont call some kinds of plays, but those plays may also be the ones we run the best??

Good point. They do it for looks in the passing game I could see that for the running game as well.
 
Thanks, SWC, for doing these summaries.

By the way, how long will it take to get the correct spelling of Chris Fredrick? Just check the back of his jersey.
 
I disagreed 100% with the premise of your question as those two deep balls were the safeties fault. Dino agreed with me.
 
Fantastic post, thanks SWC! A lot of good questions and info there and I agree with the older/young guy theory.

I think the OL will continue to improve as playing a tough opponent on the road led to some challenges they did not see while scrimmaging each other. I like how they can sub and still stay strong.

Reading that regarding using the 4 game Redshirt rule, curious to see how he'll do that for Wagner...not waste a game in case of injury later for the players he KNOWS he is going to play. I assume that if SU made a bowl, that counts as 1 of the 4 for the redshirts? Just wondering for the future. I'm thinking the Mississippi Thunder may be one he may wait on.

Blocking for a WR is often overlooked and it seems obvious Butler knows he has to turn it up a notch as a WR and hopefully WMU was his wake up call and we see a totally different player (in a good way) for the rest of the year.

I get to take what the D gives and if the O has the tools to execute the weak spot on D, that's wonderful. I'm glad that guy asked that question but you could see they took away the end around for Riley as well as there was always someone in his face on those fake handoffs, good reads by ED.
A bowl would count as one of the four games.
 
Reading that regarding using the 4 game Redshirt rule, curious to see how he'll do that for Wagner...not waste a game in case of injury later for the players he KNOWS he is going to play. I assume that if SU made a bowl, that counts as 1 of the 4 for the redshirts? Just wondering for the future. I'm thinking the Mississippi Thunder may be one he may wait on.

Just a guess but I don't think much will change for Wagner. I see Harris and Queeley getting snaps. Because of the DE depth I could see Okechukwu getting some run. I'd say that's about it.

I'm curious though what we'll do at RB with a big lead. My gut says Pierre will get all the carries but this will tell us where they stand.

Cisco, Wallace and Trill all played last weekend and are not red-shirting.
 
Yes. The OL did a great job - our QB set a record running the ball. It wasn’t just individual running ability. Giant holes.

I know you don’t agree - but it was good to hear what coach was thinking up 20 in the 4th Re: clock.


As I said, i'd rather go up 27 rather than try to bleed 12:44 off the clock. And I'd like my running backs to average more than 2.4 yards per carry when we are bleeding the clock and 3.5 when we aren't.

But, hey - we won!
 
it does make you wonder though if the D baits you a bit with our philosophy . If they give us a look and we will go away from it do they then show us an outside scheme but anticipate and inside play? Same with coverages. Do we see certain looks and go away from certain plays and the D tries to make us do that so we dont call some kinds of plays, but those plays may also be the ones we run the best??


The best teams can impose their will on the other team, not just "take what they give us".
 
I disagreed 100% with the premise of your question as those two deep balls were the safeties fault. Dino agreed with me.



Both Bradshaw and the safety were 5 yards behind Eskridge. And the game did change when Williams replaced Bradshaw.
 
The best teams can impose their will on the other team, not just "take what they give us".

This is true for sure, historically. But it's a kind of "meathead" ball and something that I'm glad we've moved past. If you can gain 20 yards by attacking where the defense is weak, why attack it where it's strong and where they are expecting it? Even teams like Ohio State and Alabama use these concepts now. Because it's not about "imposing their will" in a traditional sense - but about getting good at attacking weaknesses.
 
As I said, i'd rather go up 27 rather than try to bleed 12:44 off the clock. And I'd like my running backs to average more than 2.4 yards per carry when we are bleeding the clock and 3.5 when we aren't.

But, hey - we won!
I used to scream at my TV when Boeheim would slow it down, up ten with five minutes to go. Later, I understood that it was simple analytics. Limit the number of possessions and apply scoring percentages and he knew the max number of points they could score. As long as we score our norm, we win. Dino appears to be applying the same logic.
 
As I said, i'd rather go up 27 rather than try to bleed 12:44 off the clock. And I'd like my running backs to average more than 2.4 yards per carry when we are bleeding the clock and 3.5 when we aren't.

But, hey - we won!

Right. You said that.

I said it's better to be up 20 and go on an 7 minute drive with 12 minutes left. It would have been good to tack on a FG at the end or to have scored after the 7 minutes, sure. But the primary goal wasn't to score. It was to run clock. And it worked. They went 99 yards the next drive and that put them down 13 with 2:50 left. But the game was effectively over when we went on that 7 minute drive even without points.

I don't think our RB average mattered at all, all game. Eric's running made it moot for that game. In the future - yeah - I'd like to see more RB production.
 
Both Bradshaw and the safety were 5 yards behind Eskridge. And the game did change when Williams replaced Bradshaw.

Bradshaw expected over the top help. If he got it and the safety did his job nobody would be talking about Bradshaw. The game didn't change because of Williams.

The game changed when Slayton got pressure and forced an INT to Whitner. We then scored pushing the lead to 55-38. Gave up an ensuing first down and then held with a Coleman 4th down sack.

Got the ball back and ran 7:13 off the clock explained above which tilted the game. Gave it back to Western on downs and they then went 98 yards for a TD on 7 plays in 2:41 with Bradshaw on the bench. Only 3 minutes left at that point. We got the ball and ran out the last 3 minutes. We had possession for over 10 minutes in the 4th Q.
 
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Just a guess but I don't think much will change for Wagner. I see Harris and Queeley getting snaps. Because of the DE depth I could see Okechukwu getting some run. I'd say that's about it.

I'm curious though what we'll do at RB with a big lead. My gut says Pierre will get all the carries but this will tell us where they stand.

Cisco, Wallace and Trill all played last weekend and are not red-shirting.

Agree. Those true freshmen who are in the plans to make meaningful contributions in Sep/Oct will see time against Wagner. I think anyone else will be saved for late season depth and the hope of preserving the redshirt should they only be needed for the 4 November games when we typically run out of healthy humans.
 
Agree. Those true freshmen who are in the plans to make meaningful contributions in Sep/Oct will see time against Wagner. I think anyone else will be saved for late season depth and the hope of preserving the redshirt should they only be needed for the 4 November games when we typically run out of healthy humans.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. I anticipate really the only kids playing are the ones who are in the plans to make meaningful contributions in Sep/Oct.
 
Does SU carry the stat (for fans to see) for how many snaps each player gets? When it comes to televised (away)games I often miss some guys that sneak in.
 
That's exactly what I'm thinking. I anticipate really the only kids playing are the ones who are in the plans to make meaningful contributions in Sep/Oct.
Depending on the score, I expect to see all the kids who are in the 2 deep depth chart (meaning, a lot of opportunities for second string WRs), plus several who are just outside the 2 deep. Wagner provides the best chance for the frosh to get on the field. It is a balance -- yes, you want to reserve the red shirt opportunity but you still have 3 games left within the 4 game rule.
 
if the safety makes the play they should on the 2 deep balls, WMU ends up with a couple nice runs for their entire offense. this wasnt blown coverage as much as poor coverage. now if we are stilling this vs uconn its a bigger issue
 

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