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Message: [QUOTE="OttoMets, post: 1989321, member: 716"] I agree about Johnson, but I wasn't ready to give up on Joseph. He was up and down as a freshman, but people lost perspective on how good a freshman point guard on a mediocre team should be (per 40, he was pretty much Jason Hart). He came back bulked up and shooting lights out in the exhibitions, but dasher said that Boeheim had already quit on him. Sure enough, he wasn't given any serious minutes in real games. I think he'd have surprised some people; he obviously had some talent and worked hard over the summer. [/QUOTE]