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The Downside

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- How were we even in a game where we got out-shot 37%-48% and out-rebounded 24-39?

- CJ Fair hit a three at 14:12 of the first half and MCW got another at 13:44. A tip-in by CJ at 12:48 ended an 8-0 run and gave us a 12-5 lead. Our next three point basket came with 41 seconds left, also by Fair, that got us to within 53-61. In between we went 0 for 9 from the arc for a period of 33 minutes and 3 seconds, forcing us to try to beat Pitt by driving into the teeth of their WWF defense.

- Our “big” men, Rakeem Christmas, Baye Moussa Keita and Jerami Grant were a combined 2 for 10 from the field for 8 points 11 rebounds and 5 blocks over 80 minutes of play. That’s the total contribution from the center and power forward positions for the game.

- Christmas and Trevor Cooney played a combined 38 minutes without ever attempting a shot. At least they didn’t miss any. Triche and MCW missed 19 of 26.

- All 10 of their players scored. Half that many Orangemen scored. We got beat by a team with one double-figure scorer.

- 5 assists to 19 for them? Maybe. With no inside game and no outside game, we had to drive to the basket to score. That doesn’t produce very many assists.

- The first stat to look at in any game is two point field goals shooting, (which should be broken out in the box score), because it’s the most direct parallel between any statistic and victory. We are over 50% on two point shots for the year. Against Louisville we were 17 for 34. Against Cincinnati we were 17 for 32. We won those games. Against Villanova we were 16 for 47. Against Pittsburgh we were 15 for 35. We lost those games. Pitt was 21 for 35. That’s winning basketball. Not only do we miss close shots but when we get fouled we never seems to find a way to get the ball in the basket and lose a lot of potential three point plays. You’ve got to finish and in these last two games we haven’t.

- The teams may change. The circumstances may change. But the scenario doesn’t seem to vs. Pitt. We get out-physicaled. We can’t rebound or shot as we normally would. We seem to lose by almost the same score. 57-72, 63-75, 60-73, 45-66, 69-76, 64-68, 67-80, 66-74, 77-82, 60-78, 72-82, 66-74, 55-65. They are really all the same game, played over and over again, with the same ending. Pittsburgh is smiling and cheering and we’ve got the 100 yard stare.
 
Pitt, Butler, teams of that ilk are murder for our "long and lithe" athletes.
Its no coincidence that having an AO, or RJ, or Fab, or heck even Otis Hill, Graig Forth, and Rony Seikaly-
we're able to bang down low and fight.
Rak seems to lack a motor, BMK is just not "strong" enough, and DC2 lacks experience.
We'll continue to get mugged and out-toughed against the more physical teams- that's the M.O for our disappointing teams.
 
MCW and Grant both are able to get to the rim but lack the muscle and strength to finish drives against contact which is very frustrating this year. As they mature and get stronger they will finish those drives...but not this season.
 
MCW and Grant both are able to get to the rim but lack the muscle and strength to finish drives against contact which is very frustrating this year. As they mature and get stronger they will finish those drives...but not this season.

But will they be playing for us when they finish those drives?
 
But will they be playing for us when they finish those drives?
I think Grant will (and it will be next year). Remember who his dad and uncle are. MCW should but won't. Nothing to substantiate those thoughts, just a gut feeling.
 
The reason that this type of team (goons) bothers SU and their athletes is that playing a zone defense totally, totally allows them to control the flow of the game. They can hold it for as long as they want, they can be patient, they can lean on and "move" SU players around on the floor, the good passes cause the zone to flex, and that opens up spots for good shots. This will always be a problem when you are looking to play a more passive defense. IF you have guys who can be physical and hold their ground, even when you play the zone, it will take Pitt out of their game. Even if it's still possible to suck SU's wing players into collapsing and leaving an open shooter. But the unwillingness to attempt to speed up tempo and get the game into a little more frantic pace will always, always, leave SU vulnerable to this type of team.

Now, I'll grant that with a depleted roster, SU really doesn't have a whole lot of choice at the moment other than to play ugly and hope to win ugly. But there really is no reason at all to have games against teams like USF (55-44) or Alcorn State (57-36) or Providence (72-66) or Cincy (57-55). Get out there, get after them, and get the tempo going to where the other team is uncomfortable playing, instead of where Syracuse is uncomfortable playing. Time and again it seems that another team can dictate the game to a more talented SU team, and I do not understand why the coaching staff allows this to occur. Axeman's recap today was perfect: "That said, Syracuse had a week to prepare for this game. They knew what they were walking into and still seemed unprepared to face it." They let it happen year after year after year. No changes at all to try and make it different.

Kev
 
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-The teams may change. The circumstances may change. But the scenario doesn’t seem to vs. Pitt. We get out-physicaled. We can’t rebound or shot as we normally would. We seem to lose by almost the same score. 57-72, 63-75, 60-73, 45-66, 69-76, 64-68, 67-80, 66-74, 77-82, 60-78, 72-82, 66-74, 55-65. They are really all the same game, played over and over again, with the same ending. Pittsburgh is smiling and cheering and we’ve got the 100 yard stare.
One defination of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Usually in sports reparting what you do well make you win. And repeating the things that don't work is insanity. but can a team realistically make enough of a change for one game?
 
The reason that this type of team (goons) bothers SU and their athletes is that playing a zone defense totally, totally allows them to control the flow of the game. They can hold it for as long as they want, they can be patient, they can lean on and "move" SU players around on the floor, the good passes cause the zone to flex, and that opens up spots for good shots. This will always be a problem when you are looking to play a more passive defense. IF you have guys who can be physical and hold their ground, even when you play the zone, it will take Pitt out of their game. Even if it's still possible to suck SU's wing players into collapsing and leaving an open shooter. But the unwillingness to attempt to speed up tempo and get the game into a little more frantic pace will always, always, leave SU vulnerable to this type of team.

Now, I'll grant that with a depleted roster, SU really doesn't have a whole lot of choice at the moment other than to play ugly and hope to win ugly. But there really is no reason at all to have games against teams like USF (55-44) or Alcorn State (57-36) or Providence (72-66) or Cincy (57-55). Get out there, get after them, and get the tempo going to where the other team is uncomfortable playing, instead of where Syracuse is uncomfortable playing. Time and again it seems that another team can dictate the game to a more talented SU team, and I do not understand why the coaching staff allows this to occur. Axeman's recap today was perfect: "That said, Syracuse had a week to prepare for this game. They knew what they were walking into and still seemed unprepared to face it." They let it happen year after year after year. No changes at all to try and make it different.

Kev

Actually, our zone isn't passive at all when we play it correctly. And we did force 20 turnovers in this game. I just think it's about physical strength and toughness- and the fact that refs don't call things. When a 'physical' team plays they commit fouls on every possession. The refs don't want to call 50 fouls so they only whistle the most obvious stuff. When a 'finesse' team plays they call everything and get the same number of fouls, so it looks even.
 
I would agree with both of those points. But I'd also point out that when you combine a crummy performance by SU offensively, that a zone defense does allow an opponent - inferior or not - to control tempo and keep the scoring down, and that frustrates SU. If SU is not scoring, opponents are not forced to attack the zone and try to keep up; they can probe and look for good shots. And like it or not, Pitt is the type of team that SU does not perform well on the offensive end against, and they also have the type of team that works against a zone.

Kev
 

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