the end of a&m and arkansas, everything wrong with college bball

[orangehomer]

the a&m kid gets called for a complete BS charge, which should have been a bucket plus a free throw. next play, a&m gets a steal and the same kid is afraid to attack the rim in transition because of the BS charge call, and turns it over. horrible officiating, but I guess espn gets what they want with the pseudo-"upset".

 

[Rage4CUSE]

No, that is a big upset. Arkansas has been mediocre at best this year. Not like in the past couple where they were a fringe top-25 team because of Bobby Portis.

 

[pulaski74]

the a&m kid gets called for a complete BS charge, which should have been a bucket plus a free throw. next play, a&m gets a steal and the same kid is afraid to attack the rim in transition because of the BS charge call, and turns it over. horrible officiating, but I guess espn gets what they want with the pseudo-"upset".

so hard to watch sometimes, who's in the spotlight, kids or officials?

 

[pulaski74]

absolutely hate charge calls unless blatent

 

[Cusefan0307]

Saw the score, but I was too busy watching Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green goo poo poo all over the Rockets last night. I didn't see any charges!

 

[BuffOrange]

No, that is a big upset. Arkansas has been mediocre at best this year. Not like in the past couple where they were a fringe top-25 team because of Bobby Portis.

3 point underdog.
[ ] Big upset.

 

[Roll Cuse]

did not see this play but Block/Charge calls are a huge pet peeve of mine. Way too many charges called. Taking a charge is supposed to be a great play, something thats very difficult to accomplish. Should require basically perfect position. IMO about 80-85% of these collisions should be blocks, whereas its basically 5050 if not actually somehow leaning in favor of a charge. Its almost like NFL replay where you better be 100% he was set and it was a charge otherwise just go with a block or god forbid a non call if at all reasonable.

 

[upperdeck]

the main issue is the rule.. you dont have to be set at all to get a charge, you just have to be in position to defend.

 

[CorduroyG]

Get rid of the charge call. Defender has to make a play on the ball. No more getting rewarded for standing still.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Get rid of the charge call. Defender has to make a play on the ball. No more getting rewarded for standing still.

Isn't basketball a finesse game? Seems like you shouldn't be allowed to barrel into opposing players with impunity.

 

[jncuse]

3 point underdog.
[ ] Big upset.

I was surprised by the line when I looked at it yesterday (It was at 3.5 at the time), but when I looked at it it made sense. They are not an easy out on the road.

Arkansas has had quite a bit of tough luck in close games - KP has them as the second most unlucky team in the entire country. They could easily be 13-7 or 14-6. It won't help them come tourney time, but they are better than 10-10.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Isn't basketball a finesse game? Seems like you shouldn't be allowed to barrel into opposing players with impunity.

You have to be allowed to play defense. It's bad enough the stars get to ram into whoever they like and get away with it, letting everyone do that is ridiculous.

 

[dasher]

Isn't basketball a finesse game? Seems like you shouldn't be allowed to barrel into opposing players with impunity.

without the charge call, we would have fullbacks running up the middle every time the ball went down the floor. It would be awful.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I don't know what to do about charge/block calls. It's the $^king hardest call to make in sports with how fast the game moves. I do feel a little bad for the refs...the fans have the luxury of gifs, jpegs, and youtube after the fact to mak their conclusions.

 

[pulaski74]

I was surprised by the line when I looked at it yesterday (It was at 3.5 at the time), but when I looked at it it made sense. They are not an easy out on the road.

Arkansas has had quite a bit of tough luck in close games - KP has them as the second most unlucky team in the entire country. They could easily be 13-7 or 14-6. It won't help them come tourney time, but they are better than 10-10.

Seriously, there is a stat for most unlucky team? who's #1 and you guys really buy into this crap?

 

[HOFCeluck]

Seriously, there is a stat for most unlucky team? who's #1 and you guys really buy into this crap?

Yes. Mississippi State. Texas A&M cc is the luckiest. Your Syracuse Orange come in at 276.

 

[pulaski74]

Yes. Mississippi State. Texas A&M cc is the luckiest. Your Syracuse Orange come in at 276.

Damn, probably not in the unluckiest tourney then

 

[jncuse]

Seriously, there is a stat for most unlucky team? who's #1 and you guys really buy into this crap?

"Luck" may be the poor moniker to place on the stat. It's merely taking a team's net efficiency per 100 possessions and calculating what an average record would be for such efficiency and schedule strength.

At the end of the day, the "Luck" stat will typically show you teams that have done well or done poorly in close games. Some may fairly view that as being caused by another team trait (Clutch, Stupidity, Coaching) that has nothing to do with luck.

It is relevant for understanding opening odds because odds are based on efficiency of teams, rather than Win-Loss record. Which is why the Arkansas line seemed strange at first glance.

I do believe it is and should be totally irrelevant for NCAA Selection. That should be about actual W's and L's.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Anyone want to bring this discussion back up after tonight? We were on the beneficial end of at least 2 charge calls and maybe 3 tonight. One was an absolute flop by Mal.

 

[Kevind13]

Anyone want to bring this discussion back up after tonight? We were on the beneficial end of at least 2 charge calls and maybe 3 tonight. One was an absolute flop by Mal.

None were charges. They should have been either blocks or no calls. In the paint they look where the defenders feet are. If there in the arc block. Outside of it a charge. They don't even care if there set. Lydon definitely wasn't set on 1 of them. I hate the way they call it now and no I dont have an answer on how to improve it

 

[CuseFaninVT]

None were charges. They should have been either blocks or no calls. In the paint they look where the defenders feet are. If there in the arc block. Outside of it a charge. They don't even care if there set. Lydon definitely wasn't set on 1 of them. I hate the way they call it now and no I dont have an answer on how to improve it

Have to say I think I agree with you. The arc actually makes it worse I think.

 

[OttoMets]

Tough to defend referees with the arbitrary way they blow the whistle. Disgraceful that two of them watch Roberson have a player roll up on his legs and not call a foul.

 

[Rage4CUSE]

3 point underdog.
[ ] Big upset.

10-10 Arkansas lost by 23 @TAMU earlier this year. So, yes it's a big upset.

 

[690West]

10-10 Arkansas lost by 23 @TAMU earlier this year. So, yes it's a big upset.

I disagree. The 3 point spread trumps any stat you want to throw out there. The game was close to a coin flip. That is the farthest thing from a "big upset" you can have.

 

[BuffOrange]

I disagree. The 3 point spread trumps any stat you want to throw out there. The game was close to a coin flip. That is the farthest thing from a "big upset" you can have.

If only Vegas were privy to such obscure information as "margin in 1st meeting"...they'd be tough to beat.