The first step - P5 notify NCAA of proposals

[orange79]

And here we go

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pac-12-big-ten-acc-notify-ncaa-proposals-200427921--spt.html

SIAP

 

[CousCuse]

Isn't it the P5 plus 1. You know the most special , perfect , better than any other university in the country. The one who can't be sullied by being in a league with the common , mundane , run of the mill institutions .

 

[orange79]

Isn't it the P5 plus 1. You know the most special , perfect , better than any other university in the country. The one who can't be sullied by being in a league with the common , mundane , run of the mill institutions .

BYU?

 

[retro44]

how would the NCAA and the power 5 stop other conferences to follow suit here.

these moves are being made to further separate the leagues from all others on a talent level....parity is closer than some believe and it is showing in the scores.

 

[CousCuse]

The P5+1 does not have enough teams for the amount of talent across the country so the other BCS level teams not in the P5+1 can be very good. Seems like they could form their own playoff system as well . AAC , MAC , MWC , CUSA and Sun Belt could be just as interesting as the P5+1.

 

[Tank19]

how would the NCAA and the power 5 stop other conferences to follow suit here. these moves are being made to further separate the leagues from all others on a talent level...parity is closer than some believe and it is showing in the scores.

They can't. It's my understanding that any other conference that wants to adopt the new rules can as well.

 

[orange79]

They can't. It's my understanding that any other conference that wants to adopt the new rules can as well.

Correct. Whether they can afford it is another question altogether.

 

[Full_Rebar]

These moves are pretty inconsequential changes, but it looks to the public like they are doing a ton of new things to benefit student-athletes.

 

[RF2044]

These moves are pretty inconsequential changes, but it looks to the public like they are doing a ton of new things to benefit student-athletes.

I don't know--these seem like pretty substantive changes:

— Lifetime scholarship guarantees that would allow former athletes to return to school at any time and complete their degrees.
— Providing long-term health care and insurance to former athletes.


I know that college football is big business, draped in a charade about this being about amateur student-athletes. But those type of changes aren't just lip service--they'd go a lot further toward ensuring the favorable long term interests of the athletes than what they have under the current system. Both of these seem like big shifts to me.

 

[Hoo's That]

Isn't it the P5 plus 1. You know the most special , perfect , better than any other university in the country. The one who can't be sullied by being in a league with the common , mundane , run of the mill institutions .

While your first sentence is correct, your second is only partly true. We've been in the ACC since December, 1953, because we couldn't get a "southern Ivy League" started.

 

[CousCuse]

While your first sentence is correct, your second is only partly true. We've been in the ACC since December, 1953, because we couldn't get a "southern Ivy League" started.

I didn't think Jeffersonians could be snarky . By the way , what is your recipe for stewed Cardinal , it looked very tasty.

 

[cpatrocks]

I think this is actually more like Step 15...but who's counting.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I don't know--these seem like pretty substantive changes:

— Lifetime scholarship guarantees that would allow former athletes to return to school at any time and complete their degrees.
— Providing long-term health care and insurance to former athletes.


I know that college football is big business, draped in a charade about this being about amateur student-athletes. But those type of changes aren't just lip service--they'd go a lot further toward ensuring the favorable long term interests of the athletes than what they have under the current system. Both of these seem like big shifts to me.

Sorry I missed the insurance one- that is a big one without a doubt. The scholarship thing isn't that big because APR gives a bonus when former players graduate, so I don't think any school was denying a "lifetime scholarship" for degree completion.

 

[RandygoCuse]

Was any more detail given on health insurance? How long are they covered? This is definitely a big one.

 

[RF2044]

Sorry I missed the insurance one- that is a big one without a doubt. The scholarship thing isn't that big because APR gives a bonus when former players graduate, so I don't think any school was denying a "lifetime scholarship" for degree completion.

I didn't realize that most schools honored the "lifetime" scholarship. I kind of figured that many student athletes were ground up and used, then forgotten about after their eligibility--with many of them not graduating and not in a position to benefit in any professional way from the compromised, partial education.

So reading that above, it seemed like a big step. I see no downside, if truly these players are truly considered valued student athletes, and not just cogs to feed the money-making machine of big time college athletics.

 

[Full_Rebar]

No downside at all. The insurance is a huge step forward for sure, but something needs to be done on the transfer front. Too many stories of schools holding the power and dictating where athletes can go.

 

[Orangepace]

Isn't it the P5 plus 1. You know the most special , perfect , better than any other university in the country. The one who can't be sullied by being in a league with the common , mundane , run of the mill institutions .

Technically, isn't ND part of the ACC? Not sure how it's viewed, but it didn't seem that the benefits in the article were going to be limited to football.

Correct. Whether they can afford it is another question altogether.

I posted the below in another thread recently, but I can't believe many other conferences would be able to afford it. There is no doubt this will allow the P5 to separate itself from the pack in the next 5 years once implemented. The recruiting battles with non-P5 schools for recruits for the middle-to-bottom tier within P5 conferences will no longer exist.

The BCS was broken and lasted 16 seasons. In all honesty, I think we'll see a split between the P5 and the non-P5 schools before we see the # of playoff teams increased. It makes too much sense considering that schools can now pay players a stipend, though really only the P5 and ND will be able to afford to do so. That will likely create an even larger talent disparity in the FBS division between the "haves" and "have nots." Utilizing the info from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2013/01/16/the-most-valuable-conferences-in-college-sports/ - I know it's dated as the BE doesn't have football, the WAC doesn't exist and several of these have been renegotiated, further expanding the disparity, but the easiest proxy I could find), the quick breakdown is:

• B12: $26.20 million/team
  
• Pac-12: $25.25 million/team
  
• B1G: $22.14 million/team
  
• ACC: $20.93 million/team
  
• SEC: $19.28 million/team
  
• BE/AAC: $8.55 million/team
  
• CUSA: $2.04 million/team
  
• MW: $1.79 million/team
• MAC: $1.69 million/team

Based on the above, it's fair to quickly assume (even if the data is dated) that the non-P5 won't be able to pony up those stipends to recruits. Thus, it stands to reason that other than a few exceptions, a recruit would be very likely to accept a scholarship offer from the worst P5 school, rather than to play for a non-P5 purely based on the fact they'd be getting paid. It won't be long before the non-P5 basically becomes what the current BCS division is. Currently there are 65 teams in the P5 (including ND). If the split happens, I would bet that at a minimum the conferences become more balanced with 14 or 16 teams each. That increases the school count to a minimum of 70 teams. It stands to reason if this happened, the P5 will also see increases in media rights revenues as the competition will be improved with many more big matchups. You can already see this happening with conferences considering 9 conference games, 1 big OOC opponent, 1 non-P5 opponent and 1 FCS.

I think that once the break happens, you will see the playoff system move to 8 teams with the P5 conference champions given automatic berths, similar to the old BCS.

 

[Hoo's That]

I didn't think Jeffersonians could be snarky . By the way , what is your recipe for stewed Cardinal , it looked very tasty.

A very strong pass rush. Stay in your contain lanes!

 

[OburgOrange]

A very strong pass rush. Stay in your contain lanes!

Can you email our DC this info please?

 

[Hoo's That]

Can you email our DC this info please?

We blocked a lot of passes from Gardner; our rushers were really good about getting their arms up when they saw they wouldn't reach him in time. They even blocked a couple with their armpits due to the combination of how high we were jumping and his low trajectory. He's hurt again this week BTW and won't play.

 

[CousCuse]

We blocked a lot of passes from Gardner; our rushers were really good about getting their arms up when they saw they wouldn't reach him in time. They even blocked a couple with their armpits due to the combination of how high we were jumping and his low trajectory. He's hurt again this week BTW and won't play.

Southern Ivy: Virginia , Duke , Vandy , GTECH , Ole Miss , Tulane , Rice ...?

 

[Hoo's That]

Southern Ivy: Virginia , Duke , Vandy , GTECH , Ole Miss , Tulane , Rice ...?

Yes, probably with Wake and Mary & Bill in the mix as well.

 

[44PRIDE]

"Lifetime scholarship guarantees that would allow former athletes to return to school at any time and complete their degrees."

This is the biggie.
Deferred Education. Go to school now as a player. Come back later as a student.

 

[Full_Rebar]

"Lifetime scholarship guarantees that would allow former athletes to return to school at any time and complete their degrees."

This is the biggie.
Deferred Education. Go to school now as a player. Come back later as a student.

Already happening thanks to APR bonus- ex. Mookie Jones back on campus