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Message: [QUOTE="nzm136, post: 1213275, member: 2531"] Research means graduate science, medicine, and engineering. SU outsources medicine to SUNY Upstate (strike medicine) and outsources much of its science to SUNY ESF (scratch science). That leaved engineering (where we are alright), which cannot carry the load on its own. SU is also not a state school with a mandate that forces it to invent things that benefit society as a whole. Instead, it is tasked with selling a service (education), so it stresses academics over research. SU is a good research institution, but SU will never be an elite research institution. Schools like Whitman, Maxwell, Newhouse, and Architecture don't move that needle, even though they are truly elite and incredibly important. [/QUOTE]