The lack of concern for the offense on this board is baffling to me

[JeremyCuse]

Since the Ga Tech disaster I have seen a lot of posts on this board, be it about Schafer being in over his head, Bullough, our chances of making a bowl, who the starting QB will be, recruiting and decommits, if Marrone left the cupboard bare etc.

All of those points are legitimate especially considering the amount of blowout losses we have see there are different questions about Schafer. However, to me the complete ineptitude of the offense at this point is beyond glaring and I am surprised that hasn't been more discussion here about it.

The passing numbers the last three games have to be some of the worst that I can recall ever in my time following Syracuse. These are Hunt's numbers the last three games

Clemson 8 of 24 passing for 52 yards with three picks QB Rating 26.5
NC State 10 of 20 passing for 74 yards 2 picks QB rating 61.1
Ga Tech 7 of 14 passing for 68 yards 1 pick QB rating 76.5

We have zero Touchdown passes during that three game span and have thrown 8 picks when you include Drew Allens Int's versus Clemson and Ga Tech. Let that sink in for a minute, the last three games we have O touchdown passes and 8 int's.

Even more concerning is the fact that our staff including Mcdonald, Moore, and Schafer have made pretty much zero adjustments. We continue to run West, Kobena, and Clark out there despite the fact that against BCS level opponents they have been extremely overmatched.

The last three games West our #1 WR has 2 catches for 31 yards and was held without a catch for 2 games. Clark has been slightly better with 5 catches for 35 yards, and Kobena our "deep threat" has 3 catches for 26 yards.

Folks whether your a glass half full or empty type of fan these numbers are disgraceful and borderlining on inept. Nassib and Lemon put up more passing and receiving yards in one half last year then our two QB's and three WR's have the past three games. The fact that we haven't seen Alvin Cornelius, Ben Lewis, Funderburk, Estime, or Moore is unfathomable. Were on pace to put up probably the worst passing statistics that I can ever remember. Even the Perry Patterson years look like the fun and gun compared to this.

We certainly need to hold the D coordinator accountable but what about Mcdonald, Schafer and Moore when we are putting out this hot mess on offense. If we don't see some changes on Saturday I dont see this team winning more then one game as its clear there is zero confidence in this passing game which has reached rock bottom.

 

[Trueblue25]

I'm very concerned, I promise you.

 

[jgeorge322]

What I'd like to know from the football experts is what type of offense are we running. Is it simple or complicated? Would it make sense to run an air raid like offense until we rebuild more and get some better skilled players? Or do we not even have the talent for that? Lastly, why can't we just go back to last years playbook? It was exciting to watch and worker against everyone.


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[44PRIDE]

I am more concerned about what their performance is doing to recruiting than what its doing to our record.

 

[SoBeCuse]

It's disturbingly comical that there aren't more passing yards in the Clemson/GA Tech routs. There's two whole halves to produce garbage time yards and padding stats. Unreal.

 

[Millhouse]

Where have you been? I don't know how anyone could read the board and wonder where the concern about the offense is

i tried to stop myself around my 50th useless redundant thread about it. i probably failed, lost count

 

[Cuseman78]

It's amazing because I'm seeing the exact opposite. Way too much angst about the O and not enough about the ridiculousness that is the D. The offense is simply limited. Not enough skill position talent at the moment (WR is by far the biggest problem). It's not a coaching issue, it's a talent issue. Thankfully, that seems like it's being addressed through recruiting. It's doubtful we are going to be a very good offensive team this year. We are what we are at the moment. I can live with that because I believe help is on the way.

The bigger concern to me is that we have some really good defensive players in all 3 positions and they are absolutely being wasted by bad scheme. Much more concerning to me. We have a very good set of LBs, we have some quality DTs, and some skilled DBs (with good depth). The result? We have given up over 40 points in 3 of our games and been down by 3 or 4 touchdowns at the half in each of them. Frankly it's unacceptable and a major concern.

There are years where one side of the ball is going to lack the playmakers needed to succeed. Unfortunately, That's the case on O this year. If we want to win games, we have to go the 2010 route and win ugly. You can't do that giving up 30 points in the first half of games. Keep the damn game close, try to wear down teams on the ground in the 4th quarter (NC St for example).

 

[JeremyCuse]

What I'd like to know from the football experts is what type of offense are we running. Is it simple or complicated? Would it make sense to run an air raid like offense until we rebuild more and get some better skilled players? Or do we not even have the talent for that? Lastly, why can't we just go back to last years playbook? It was exciting to watch and worker against everyone.


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Great questions.

 

[JeremyCuse]

It's amazing because I'm seeing the exact opposite. Way too much angst about the O and not enough about the ridiculousness that is the D. The offense is simply limited. Not enough skill position talent at the moment (WR is by far the biggest problem). It's not a coaching issue, it's a talent issue. Thankfully, that seems like it's being addressed through recruiting. It's doubtful we are going to be a very good offensive team this year. We are what we are at the moment. I can live with that because I believe help is on the way.

The bigger concern to me is that we have some really good defensive players in all 3 positions and they are absolutely being wasted by bad scheme. Much more concerning to me. We have a very good set of LBs, we have some quality DTs, and some skilled DBs (with good depth). The result? We have given up over 40 points in 3 of our games and been down by 3 or 4 touchdowns at the half in each of them. Frankly it's unacceptable and a major concern.

There are years where one side of the ball is going to lack the playmakers needed to succeed. Unfortunately, That's the case on O this year. If we want to win games, we have to go the 2010 route and win ugly. You can't do that giving up 30 points in the first half of games. Keep the damn game close, try to wear down teams on the ground in the 4th quarter (NC St for example).

Good points and your probably right, but I never expected the offense to look this bad. Your right about the defense though, Bullough has turned a good unit into a disaster.

 

[Cuseman78]

Good points and your probably right, but I never expected the offense to look this bad. Your right about the defense though, Bullough has turned a good unit into a disaster.

No question. Its been tough to watch. But i kinda get it. We don't have a very good QB and we have flat-out awful WRs who seemingly can't get open against real DBs (Broyld excluded). Theres no use trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. We're going to need our OL and RBs to carry us this year. I don't see any other way.

On defense, I'm all for Shafer pulling a Marrone<>Spence and taking over the reins from Bullough. What i've seen defensively is ridiculous. On paper, This should be a really, really good defense.

 

[jr4750]

This is a very plan jane response, but we just seem horribly disorganized... Not having the punt return team ready and whatnot, 6 games into the season, is just atrocious. The offense has been terrible, and the defense has schematically been on another planet for the last few weeks, minus NCST. I simply cannot understand how that happens... How does Macky get hurt, and on the first play of young Jason Emmerich's career as a snapper in a close football game, we go to the shotgun on 2nd and a manageable 8. That baffles me! Sure TH managed to get back the fumble, and it may have been more of his fault then Jason's but, that screams of bad management. Make things easy on the kids, simplify, mitigate mistakes... I mean come on!

 

[sufandu]

Offense is worse than I thought it would be and I'm concerned, but the problems on defense were more unexpected, given that we returned a lot of guys from a solid defense last year. I thought we'd struggle with the pass rush, but I didn't think we'd give up the easy bombs and give up rushing yardage the way we have.

I figured our offense would be worse than last year, and even thought our running would be worse with the loss of Pugh and less of a passing threat to keep defenses honest. I never thought it'd be this bad though.

I think the emphasis on here about the D is that we think we have the talent to do better. On offense I think we've seen who we are and just shrug our shoulders because we are who we are.

 

[All4SU]

You develop your scheme around your talent -- or whatever you have. Not the other way around. I have no idea what we should be running. But I don't believe it's all about talent. Because if this is what we have, there must be something we can run that is more successful than we have seen to date.

 

[xc84]

I am very concerned and have done something about it. I have written it here. I can sleep well tonight knowing I have done all I can do about it.

 

[Orangello]

What I'd like to know from the football experts is what type of offense are we running. Is it simple or complicated? Would it make sense to run an air raid like offense until we rebuild more and get some better skilled players? Or do we not even have the talent for that? Lastly, why can't we just go back to last years playbook? It was exciting to watch and worker against everyone.
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Good question but from what I'm seeing, there is largely no rhyme or reason to the offense other than it is consistently offensive. I honestly get the sense that MickyD is just making it up as he goes along. They stop calling running plays when the RB's are getting yardage, they have the QB throwing long which is his biggest weakness, the complete abandonment of the TE's and short passing game, the insistence on using WR's who can't get open and can't catch. This appears to be very much on the job training at it's worse. I think we all expected the O to struggle this year but not to this level.

 

[rosconey]

most figured the offense would struggle -it was expected

most figured we would still have a solid defense - so it being so bad has drawn the most talk-

 

[Orangetradition44]

It hasn't been discussed enough? Wow. How many times and how many ways can people say we suck? We've been discussing it for a ing decade. And you want more?

The offense sucks. We don't have any serviceable WRs. Our QBs are two of the worst in history (statistically! Thanks Millhouse). Our 1st time OC is learning on the job and looking like a failure. We literally cannot complete a pass. Our ineptitude is approaching Brian Parianni levels.

I'm going to end this with a Howard Dean yeahhhhhhrghh!!!!!


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[rrlbees]

I'm concerned about both the defense and offense. I'm also concerned about people who can witness epic low passing ratings and blame just the WR's.


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[phil77]

You develop your scheme around your talent -- or whatever you have. Not the other way around. I have no idea what we should be running. But I don't believe it's all about talent. Because if this is what we have, there must be something we can run that is more successful than we have seen to date.

I disagree for the college game. In the pro game yes I agree that is the approach. In college I believe you get(recruit) talent to fit your scheme. The best way for these kids to learn is to be in the same system over and over again. Not change the system due to players. Sure if you have a better running game you may call more running plays but the base system stays the same.

 

[phil77]

I'm concerned about both the defense and offense. I'm also concerned about people who can witness epic low passing ratings and blame just the WR's.


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I think it is Hunts story that people are behind and they root for, that is why they are currently point fingers other places and look over historically bad numbers.

 

[MadNY3]

Since the Ga Tech disaster I have seen a lot of posts on this board, be it about Schafer being in over his head, Bullough, our chances of making a bowl, who the starting QB will be, recruiting and decommits, if Marrone left the cupboard bare etc.

All of those points are legitimate especially considering the amount of blowout losses we have see there are different questions about Schafer. However, to me the complete ineptitude of the offense at this point is beyond glaring and I am surprised that hasn't been more discussion here about it.

The passing numbers the last three games have to be some of the worst that I can recall ever in my time following Syracuse. These are Hunt's numbers the last three games

Clemson 8 of 24 passing for 52 yards with three picks QB Rating 26.5
NC State 10 of 20 passing for 74 yards 2 picks QB rating 61.1
Ga Tech 7 of 14 passing for 68 yards 1 pick QB rating 76.5

We have zero Touchdown passes during that three game span and have thrown 8 picks when you include Drew Allens Int's versus Clemson and Ga Tech. Let that sink in for a minute, the last three games we have O touchdown passes and 8 int's.

Even more concerning is the fact that our staff including Mcdonald, Moore, and Schafer have made pretty much zero adjustments. We continue to run West, Kobena, and Clark out there despite the fact that against BCS level opponents they have been extremely overmatched.

The last three games West our #1 WR has 2 catches for 31 yards and was held without a catch for 2 games. Clark has been slightly better with 5 catches for 35 yards, and Kobena our "deep threat" has 3 catches for 26 yards.

Folks whether your a glass half full or empty type of fan these numbers are disgraceful and borderlining on inept. Nassib and Lemon put up more passing and receiving yards in one half last year then our two QB's and three WR's have the past three games. The fact that we haven't seen Alvin Cornelius, Ben Lewis, Funderburk, Estime, or Moore is unfathomable. Were on pace to put up probably the worst passing statistics that I can ever remember. Even the Perry Patterson years look like the fun and gun compared to this.

We certainly need to hold the D coordinator accountable but what about Mcdonald, Schafer and Moore when we are putting out this hot mess on offense. If we don't see some changes on Saturday I dont see this team winning more then one game as its clear there is zero confidence in this passing game which has reached rock bottom.

The fact that this thread even legitimately and rightly exists is why I have been in a post-Georgia Tech funk thinking we are the hamster running on the wheel of mediocrity.

So many ugly things from tons of penalties, three 48+ bombs from the D with Florida State looming, QB ratings in the toilet and pathetic game plans just have me in a funk. It sucks. Worse yet, I am sick of the sucking and the infinite wait-til-next-years' recruits.

We so need to beat Wake this weekend. Not easy as we have been seduced each time we've played them thinking we'll beat em up, which we've done for maybe one quarter ever (albeit a critical one in the Dome.) I don't doubt the 85 kids will give it their all, I just hope it's good enough and the coaches put them in a position to execute/win Saturday.

War Gosh Darn Otto...

 

[Crusty]

I really can't understand why both offense and defense are so bad. It really is unfathomable.

What I do know is that if Shafer does not right the ship quickly the staff will get most of the blame.

 

[OrangeDW]

New QB, new OC, no Pugh, lost top 2 WR's.

We have good RB's and an OK OLine. The struggles aren't surprising or hard to figure out, and they're not completely unexpected. We all knew there was the possibility that the offense wouldn't be that good this year.

The defense has the talent and experience to be much better than it is. Getting shredded like that against GT was inexcusable. So was Northwestern.

 

[rocklloyd]

Strangely (and probably more disturbingly) I find myself longing for the option play. Been watching some games from late 80's and early 90's on TWCS and our offense looks far better then.

 

[jgeorge322]

I disagree for the college game. In the pro game yes I agree that is the approach. In college I believe you get(recruit) talent to fit your scheme. The best way for these kids to learn is to be in the same system over and over again. Not change the system due to players. Sure if you have a better running game you may call more running plays but the base system stays the same.

id say last year's performance after switching up the offense two weeks before our first game says otherwise.