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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 3396869, member: 837"] This is always my point with the recruiting services. If we somehow start landing a handful of 4-star kids or more each cycle -- maybe if we establish a pattern of consistent winning for a few years -- that's awesome. Unlikely, IMO, but awesome. We'll all take 4- and 5-star kids. But what we're going to be signing for the time being is 3-star and 2-star kids and while there are really good prospects and not so good prospects at this level, I think it's really hard for those services -- which I rag on but I enjoy them nonetheless -- to have any real way of truly telling you weather your class of 2/3s is better or worse than oregon state's class of 2/3s. Especially since so much has to do with system, a kid's work ethic, attrition due to various factors (grades, discipline, injury, etc.), S&C, etc. It's interesting if you look at the top 25 from the end of the season and take a look at their recruiting classes since '15 (redshirt seniors this past season): [B]10. Minnesota[/B] -- Best ranking was 38 in 2018. Otherwise in the 40s/50s/60s since 15 [B]16. Utah[/B] -- Utah topped out at 33 in 2018 and generally has had pretty solid rankings with the lowest being 45 in 2015. [B]17. Memphis[/B] -- 56th in 2017 is the highest ranking [B]19. App St[/B] -- In the 90s or 100s since 2015 [B]20. Navy[/B] -- High-water mark was 91 in 2016 [B]21. Cincy[/B] -- Ranked 49th in 2018 and otherwise in the 60s and 70s [B]22. Air Force[/B] -- Ranked worse than 100 every year since '15 [B]23. Boise [/B]-- 54th in 2019 was their best class since '15 [B]24. UCF [/B]-- Since '15, best class ranking is 55 Folks love to write this stuff off as one-offs, but really? That's 9 teams in the top 25 with a combined zero top 25 classes and only three total classes (Utah two, Minnesota 1) ranked in the top 40 in the past five years. The bottom line is you need to hope your staff can evaluate, that they have a ton of energy and personality, that they are willing to turn over every rock and then hope that you find enough under-the-radar kids and then, hopefully, you can build off that. But looking at the random 4-digit composite number from a recruiting site and your general ranking amongst your peers is a pointless exercise -- at least until you start plucking a few kids away from wisconsin or michigan or bigger name schools. [/QUOTE]

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