The Little Guy's did not get in

[jncuse]

Only one did - Wichita St. And that was likely due to their KP rating of #11, their rep as a really good team, and the early season injuries.

The following were left out.
Monmouth
St. Mary's
Valparaiso
St Bonaventure

I will say one of those 4 should at least be in before Tulsa.

The committee stuck by its principles and did not take care of the little guy, I used to defend and pick the little guy on Selection Sunday (and I still think they get screwed), but after seeing it happen over and over, you know not to expect it.

 

[CaptainJ]

Only one did - Wichita St. And that was likely due to their KP rating of #11, their rep as a really good team, and the early season injuries.

The following were left out.
Monmouth
St. Mary's
Valparaiso
St Bonaventure

I will say one of those 4 should at least be in before Tulsa.

The committee stuck by its principles and did not take care of the little guy, I used to defend and pick the little guy on Selection Sunday (and I still think they get screwed), but after seeing it happen over and over, you know not to expect it.

I repeatedly said nobody on the bubble had the wins we had on our resume. I know I'm not as hardcore as I used to be, but didnt see what folks didn't get about that!

I do feel bad for some of the mid majors, but not shocked.

 

[pearl31]

Not surprised by any except Monmouth.
I don't know what more a mid-major can do to get an at-large than what Monmouth did this year. They were robbed.

 

[jncuse]

Not surprised by any except Monmouth.
I don't know what more a mid-major can do to get an at-large than what Monmouth did this year. They were robbed.

I thought they earned the benefit of the doubt.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Aren't the A10 and AAC part of the little guys? Temple, Cincy, UConn were all over seeded. Tulsa made it in somehow. Dayton was in. St Joes was over seeded. VCU got in and was over seeded. The top mid majors are the ones who stole bids from the smaller conference champs.

 

[jncuse]

Aren't the A10 and AAC part of the little guys? Temple, Cincy, UConn were all over seeded. Tulsa made it in somehow. Dayton was in. St Joes was over seeded. VCU got in and was over seeded. The top mid majors are the ones who stole bids from the smaller conference champs.

No -- the little guys are teams from one or sometimes 2 big league.

Agree, that the AAC was treated handsomely. The A-10 was not overseeded in my view. The Bonnies were given no favours,

 

[CaptainJ]

Being opponents' opponents figure into the equation, I wonder if we ended up being a "bad loss" for the Bonnies? lol

 

[HRE Otto IV]

No -- the little guys are teams from one or sometimes 2 big league.

Agree, that the AAC was treated handsomely. The A-10 was not overseeded in my view. The Bonnies were given no favours,

Why were the Bonnies that close? The tournament teams they beat were Dayton, Buffalo, and St Joe's 2x. They really didn't beat anyone. Then they lost to Hofstra, Siena, Duquesne, La Salle, and Davidson. All of those should be held against them. Yet some how they got a 1 seed in the NIT.

 

[jncuse]

Why were the Bonnies that close? The tournament teams they beat were Dayton, Buffalo, and St Joe's 2x. They really didn't beat anyone. Then they lost to Hofstra, Siena, Duquesne, La Salle, and Davidson. All of those should be held against them. Yet some how they got a 1 seed in the NIT.

3-2 vs top 50 (2 of those wins on the road)
7-5 vs top 100 (including 4 wins on the road / neutral)
They did have 3 bad losses, but Hofstra and Davidson were not really bad losses.
Davidson was awful timing however.

The quality win metrics were not bad, but I think what did them in was the power rating (which the committee has now stated they look at it). They were clearly the worse of any at large contender.

They deserved that #1 seed. They also deserved the fate that any team had that was right on the line.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

3-2 vs top 50 (2 of those wins on the road)
7-5 vs top 100 (including 4 wins on the road / neutral)
They did have 3 bad losses, but Hofstra and Davidson were not really bad losses.
Davidson was awful timing however.

The quality win metrics were not bad, but I think what did them in was the power rating (which the committee has now stated they look at it). They were clearly the worse of any at large contender.

They deserved that #1 seed. They also deserved the fate that any team had that was right on the line.

The committee deemed the teams that got 1-10 seeds as the Top 40 teams in the nation. That matters more than what a computer spits out. Against those teams St Bonnie was 3-3 beating #26 and #32 (2x). That might have gotten them in had they not lost to La Salle (who was really bad) and played an easy schedule OOC. Who was their best OOC W? Buffalo?

 

[Ghost]

Not surprised by any except Monmouth.
I don't know what more a mid-major can do to get an at-large than what Monmouth did this year. They were robbed.

They could NOT to lose three times to sub-200 teams!

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Monmouth had some wins over programs that might have been good in previous years but we're not this year - UCLA, Georgetown and Cornell. The win over Notre Dame was quality. USC was an ok win, their overall record was better than ours ... but there is not much to get excited about on their resume.

 

[CaptainJ]

Monmouth had some wins over programs that might have been good in previous years but we're not this year - UCLA, Georgetown and Cornell. The win over Notre Dame was quality. USC was an ok win, their overall record was better than ours ... but there is not much to get excited about on their resume.

When I looked at them head to head with the Cuse, I had the ND wins cancel out, and then Duke/UConn/TAM away from home really couldn't be matched.

Now against other teams, I can see some beef for Monmouth. Did the NCAA announce any "first 4 out" with their explanations? I'm thinking Monmouth would be in it. If folks want more teams in, expand the field by 4 more teams, it's really that simple. The previous expansion hasn't created that much of an uproar, 4 more teams in equates to 4 less teams to complain about. I can live without expansion due to being spoiled as being a SU fan, though.

 

[Cowtown]

Why were the Bonnies that close? The tournament teams they beat were Dayton, Buffalo, and St Joe's 2x. They really didn't beat anyone. Then they lost to Hofstra, Siena, Duquesne, La Salle, and Davidson. All of those should be held against them. Yet some how they got a 1 seed in the NIT.

Better them than us.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Better them than us.

Are you serious? Duke, A&M, and ND are way better Ws. And our losses weren't as bad. Oh and we played a harder schedule OOC and beat them head to head. The committee chair was asked about St Bonnie and said their OOC schedule killed their chances.

 

[jncuse]

The committee deemed the teams that got 1-10 seeds as the Top 40 teams in the nation. That matters more than what a computer spits out. Against those teams St Bonnie was 3-3 beating #26 and #32 (2x). That might have gotten them in had they not lost to La Salle (who was really bad) and played an easy schedule OOC. Who was their best OOC W? Buffalo?

You asked me why they got a #1 seed in the NIT. I answered it.

I never argued that they were above us.

 

[Chris02M]

When I looked at them head to head with the Cuse, I had the ND wins cancel out, and then Duke/UConn/TAM away from home really couldn't be matched.

Now against other teams, I can see some beef for Monmouth. Did the NCAA announce any "first 4 out" with their explanations? I'm thinking Monmouth would be in it. If folks want more teams in, expand the field by 4 more teams, it's really that simple. The previous expansion hasn't created that much of an uproar, 4 more teams in equates to 4 less teams to complain about. I can live without expansion due to being spoiled as being a SU fan, though.

monmouth
st bona
south carolina
valpo

were first 4 out

 

[Cowtown]

Are you serious? Duke, A&M, and ND are way better Ws. And our losses weren't as bad. Oh and we played a harder schedule OOC and beat them head to head. The committee chair was asked about St Bonnie and said their OOC schedule killed their chances.

I'm completely serious. As in, better St Bona in the NIT than us.