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Message: [QUOTE="wfschrec, post: 874105, member: 361"] The difference is go back and look at what Va Tech's and Miami's records were in the BE then look at their records in the ACC ... Va Tech won 17 BE games in 4-5 seasons total ... they won 8 their first year in the ACC ... and 22 after 3 seasons ... and in 06-07 finished 3rd in the ACC .. they were never in the top half of the BE ... ever ... you want to talk about not pulling weight ... go look at what Va Tech was to the BE or Rutgers ... the difference is the BE had more teams that could hang with anyone ... if Duke and UNC left the ACC would have been an after thought. [/QUOTE]