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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 1534317, member: 363"] The difference between Leach and Shafer is Leach has proven that he can WIN games, he has proven that his style works. Different being patient with a guy that has demonstrated success as a HC in the past than one who hasn't. Pretty cut and dry, IMO Leach has a number of disciples who have also proven that they can move the football, his system has proven successful. Look at the fat bastard at Kansas, if he wasn't crazy he would still be there, another guy that worked with Leach [/QUOTE]