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Message: [QUOTE="Townie72, post: 1601430, member: 780"] Even I grant that tenuous claim, knocking someone out of a bowl or a better bowl isn't much of a basis for a rivalry. If you think about it, just about every game in the 12 game season qualifies under that criteria as each one affects bowl eligibility and bowl selection. If you think Rutgers is an SU rival, then I really question what you think an actual rivalry is. As I have pointed out, we have a much richer, stronger history with Pitt, WVU, BC and even VT. And these aren't really rivals. It also occurs to me that SU BB fans that stated being fans after the 1980's really don't understand where all the heat in that relationship comes from. They have been told there's a rivalry but not why. [/QUOTE]