The Oline philosophy

[kcsu]

Here is something i dont understand. I get cross training players for different positions. In my opinion there are few talented enough to master this. Ryan Alexander should have been slotted at his natural position as a starter from day one. Serva should have been our left T from day one Adams at Guard and either Tisdale or Davis at the other Guard spot. Heckel at center. Vet spent sometime at center so why isnt he there now. Musical chairs at Oline never works especially when you have a new QB and are replacing both starting tackles. The Zone blocking scheme is very precise. There is no way guys can master multiple positions during one spring and fall. Jack of all trades and master of none.

 

[dasher]

Here is something i dont understand. I get cross training players for different positions. In my opinion there are few talented enough to master this. Ryan Alexander should have been slotted at his natural position as a starter from day one. Serva should have been our left T from day one Adams at Guard and either Tisdale or Davis at the other Guard spot. Heckel at center. Vet spent sometime at center so why isnt he there now. Musical chairs at Oline never works especially when you have a new QB and are replacing both starting tackles. The Zone blocking scheme is very precise. There is no way guys can master multiple positions during one spring and fall. Jack of all trades and master of none.

Not being at practice every day, like the coaches are, I am reluctant to say who should be starting.

 

[rrlbees]

Here is something i dont understand. I get cross training players for different positions. In my opinion there are few talented enough to master this. Ryan Alexander should have been slotted at his natural position as a starter from day one. Serva should have been our left T from day one Adams at Guard and either Tisdale or Davis at the other Guard spot. Heckel at center. Vet spent sometime at center so why isnt he there now. Musical chairs at Oline never works especially when you have a new QB and are replacing both starting tackles. The Zone blocking scheme is very precise. There is no way guys can master multiple positions during one spring and fall. Jack of all trades and master of none.

Alexander has been getting beat like a drum.

 

[kcsu]

Not being at practice every day, like the coaches are, I am reluctant to say who should be starting.

Of course not. My point is very few players can learn multiple positions. The Oline is arguably the hardest position outside of QB to learn. Moving guys from RT to LT to Center RG to LG, G to T ect... Seems like a recipe for mediocrity. Alexander had one month. Serva has never played significant snaps at Tackle, Vett is a kid, they moved Tisdale inside... Who knows but so far whatever they did and for whatever reasons has been a total failure.

 

[tbonezone]

" The Oline is arguably the hardest position outside of QB to learn. Moving guys from RT to LT to Center RG to LG, G to T ect... Seems like a..."

don't buy it. so many more decisions at other positions. that's why you recruit size and not IQ. stay in front of your man. make the slides. no penalties. O-line is an art form to work as a unit but in no way the hardest.

 

[kcsu]

" The Oline is arguably the hardest position outside of QB to learn. Moving guys from RT to LT to Center RG to LG, G to T ect... Seems like a..."

don't buy it. so many more decisions at other positions. that's why you recruit size and not IQ. stay in front of your man. make the slides. no penalties. O-line is an art form to work as a unit but in no way the hardest.

Which is why you have to practice as a unit.

 

[SoBristol]

Which is why you have to practice as a unit.

The ideal is to have the pieces in place early in the Spring, which is fine if you have five real good linemen, everyone is healthy and stays healthy, and what you have is working. Not our situation.

 

[kcsu]

The ideal is to have the pieces in place early in the Spring, which is fine if you have five real good linemen, everyone is healthy and stays healthy, and what you have is working. Not our situation.

If your still horsing around with position switches in the fall your screwed. We didn't settle anything until the week before the opener and it shows.

 

[SoBristol]

If your still horsing around with position switches in the fall your screwed. We didn't settle anything until the week before the opener and it shows.

That’s true, but are you suggesting the staff had some magical way to settle the roles in August? Heckel was hurt, Alexander and Tisdale weren’t up to speed with Dino’s system, Vetterello wasn’t a real good answer, as we have seen. If what you are trying isn’t working, you try position switches out of necessity.

 

[rrlbees]

If your still horsing around with position switches in the fall your screwed. We didn't settle anything until the week before the opener and it shows.

Heckel got hurt during the first game. That’s when the changes came.

 

[shu 49]

I don’t see how it helps except for a guy or two. I have never seen a team switch lineman like we do. It takes hundreds of reps to get stance and technique correct. If u keep switching it will slow u down.

 

[phil77]

Heckel got hurt during the first game. That’s when the changes came.

Our line wasn't exactly great the first game either.

 

[PhatOrange]

I want to say Cav should be on notice but he’s never coached line in this system, so I’m withholding and he’s a good IL coach. But maybe it’s time to call up the Briles OL coaches.

 

[anomander]

Hate to say it, but even if Heckel comes back he isn't going to be a magical fix to our issues. Going to need creative play calling to try and make these teams pay that are going to blitz us all game now that this game tape is out.

 

[blizz]

This system places more value on the interior line as that is the focal point of the run game. Pretty sure this is why Servais moved inside with the injury rather than stay at LT and move Vett to C.

 

[rrlbees]

Our line wasn't exactly great the first game either.

No it wasn’t. But it’d be nice to have your best line combination on the field for more than one quarter.

 

[kcsu]

According to the interview with Serva he said that he wasn't worried at the end of camp
Said they would pull it together. This was about 10 days before Liberty.

 

[Nick44]

It needs to be said and surprised it hasn’t yet. If you remove the transfer/Shafer OL recruits from the equation, this staff has totally whiffed on HS OL recruits in 4 seasons with exception of Servais.

Clark, P Davis, D Davis, all of the RS freshman/sophomores...zero have proven reliable.

 

[PhatOrange]

I don't know about all the schematic stuff and zone blocking this and zone blocking that etc. But here is what's obvious to me. They seemingly just block the guy in front them then don't open many holes. Often times they struggle to get any push and get blown backwards too much. It doesn't appear than can execute run blocking and has been really a problem for the more than this year. So what gives? What's so hard?