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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 1638643, member: 363"] Agreed. Yeah, I think with the team being really bad for the better part of 10-12 years everything else begins to eat away at people as well. It's going to be a tough road back for sure, winning is the only answer, plain and simple. I think Marrone thought that after the first 8-5 season that he would win the fans back, which was rather nieve on his end and what eventually turned him into the GRUMP that he became his last two years here. Losing 5 in a row along with a meltdown at home versus Rutgers doesn't help in 2011. Shafer had the right make up for Syracuse just not the right make up to be a HC. We shall see, looks like Dino is off to a good start and we know he can coach and coach his system, should be interesting. First goal is bowl game year... It hasn't been easy by any means [/QUOTE]