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Message: [QUOTE="oli44, post: 2099934, member: 989"] Not totally dismissing your point but not sure how you can have Otis Hill on your list of Syracuse centers and then with a straight face say Xmas doesn't count because he was really a PF filling in. And Watkins and Onuaku as pros are not much different than Mcrae, Manning or Ellis. Who cares whether they were drafted. I think you can definitely make the point that we have not developed big men in recent years as well as we have in the past but I think you are distorting things just a bit. [/QUOTE]