The trial of evaluating Doug Marrone as Syracuse coach

[Alsacs]

I would like it if two posters would be willingly to do this in a respectful manner. I mean respectful nothing ridiculous and personal. I will be one of the two if we can't find two. Evaluating his performance as SU coach for four years and whether their should be a change at the head coaching position after this season. Any takers? Give an opening, points you would make, and closing argument this way us the fans of the team can decide in a healthy respectful manner as everybody is ripping mad right now.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

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[Rocco]

Doug Marrone will lead us to a 8-5 season this year, dotted by a thrashing of WFVU in the Pinstripe Bowl while it rains/sleets/snows.

Edit: I am an visionary.

 

[TheCusian]

I would like it if two posters would be willingly to do this in a respectful manner. I mean respectful nothing ridiculous and personal. I will be one of the two if we can't find two. Evaluating his performance as SU coach for four years and whether their should be a change at the head coaching position after this season. Any takers? Give an opening, points you would make, and closing argument this way us the fans of the team can decide in a healthy respectful manner as everybody is ripping mad right now.

And I had the audacity to suggest people wanted a change after year 3. It got worse after a 2-4 start.

 

[PAcuse]

Did we ever get the results of this trial?

 

[Alsacs]

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Please tell me what I did. I was actually trying to gauge the fanbase at time there was a lot of angry. Tell me where I ripped Marorne in this thread?
THank you for going thru all my posts I am flattered.

 

[TheCusian]

Please tell me what I did. I was actually trying to gauge the fanbase at time there was a lot of angry. Tell me where I ripped Marorne in this thread? THank you for going thru all my posts I am flattered.

You've put me on blast for having the audacity to suggest that people were unhappy with Doug after 3 years.

This idea of him raising the program up from that ashes to greatness is a myth. He raised the program from the ashes to mediocrity. That his competency was a question after year three is just about where we are now.

I've said repeatedly that Marrone's record is slightly better than Shafer's and that he had more signature wins. That he did so during the first three years were a testament to Marrone and Shafer.

I don't think it's clear cut either way (I lean towards more time, but understand the other side). But you had your mind made up after year two. And you're wondering why people are digging up your old threads?

 

[GoSU96]

You've put me on blast for having the audacity to suggest that people were unhappy with Doug after 3 years.

This idea of him raising the program up from that ashes to greatness is a myth. He raised the program from the ashes to mediocrity. That his competency was a question after year three is just about where we are now.

I've said repeatedly that Marrone's record is slightly better than Shafer's and that he had more signature wins. That he did so during the first three years were a testament to Marrone and Shafer.

I don't think it's clear cut either way (I lean towards more time, but understand the other side). But you had your mind made up after year two. And you're wondering why people are digging up your old threads?

Who the hell said that this program was "great"? What he did was take this program from the bottom of the bottom to the point four years latter where it was blowing out a top 10 team and by the end of the year was capable of playing with anyone in the country. Went from inheriting with the 114th ranked offense (113th average four years prior) and 101st ranked defense ( 104 average four years prior) to finishing four seasons later with the 17th ranked offense and 48th ranked defense.

That's what's great, the rebuilding job. The team at that point was really good, not mediocre by any measure.

 

[TheCusian]

Who the hell said that this program was "great"? What he did was take this program from the bottom of the bottom to the point four years latter where it was blowing out a top 10 team and by the end of the year was capable of playing with anyone in the country. Went from inheriting with the 114th ranked offense (113th average four years prior) and 101st ranked defense ( 104 average four years prior) to finishing four seasons later with the 17th ranked offense and 48th ranked defense. That's what's great, the rebuilding job. The team at that point was really good, not mediocre by any measure.

I'm not arguing that point. But if you look at the stats it was not a straight line. There was not year after year improvement.

Even that year we started 2-4. Our best win was a one point win over Pitt. People were freaking out after losing to Rutgers.

We were bad on offense for the 3 years prior.

So yeah 6 games into his 4th year we were pretty good. Then he left. And he hired away the bulk of what he built.

 

[007]

I'm not arguing that point. But if you look at the stats it was not a straight line. There was not year after year improvement.

Even that year we started 2-4. Our best win was a one point win over Pitt. People were freaking out after losing to Rutgers.

We were bad on offense for the 3 years prior.

So yeah 6 games into his 4th year we were pretty good. Then he left. And he hired away the bulk of what he built.

After 4 years of being a HC, his first as a HC at any level, Marrone went to, and won 2 bowl games, shared a BE conference championship, and was coveted by the NFL. He took one of those offers and lead the Bills to their best record in 10 years.

After 4 years of being a HC for the first time, at any level, SS will be... fired/on the hot seat/still looking for a signature win/fighting the good fight and hoping to get to a bowl game/something else.

From where we stand today, Marrone and SS should not even be in the same conversation with regards to what they were able to accomplish at SU and the national perception of the job they did/are doing.

 

[orange7]

I would like it if two posters would be willingly to do this in a respectful manner. I mean respectful nothing ridiculous and personal. I will be one of the two if we can't find two. Evaluating his performance as SU coach for four years and whether their should be a change at the head coaching position after this season. Any takers? Give an opening, points you would make, and closing argument this way us the fans of the team can decide in a healthy respectful manner as everybody is ripping mad right now.

I'll join in on this conversation--Marrone is greater than Shafer and it is not even close. And here is why...

1. Marrone has way more signature wins than SS. Wins over Louisville, West Virginia 3x once in Morgantown and in the Pinstripe Bowl, Northwestern in the Pinstripe Bowl, at Mizzou, at USF who just slaughtered us.
2. Marrone did not get blown out of any games. Even when we were down big (at USF, at Mizzou) we came back and won those games. I never was worried about those games because I knew we had the offensive fire power to come back.
3. Being a former OL player and playcaller, the Oline was a strength of our teams. Having a shifty Nassib at QB who was not fast had a good amount of time to make plays back there.
4. The ability to coach up low level stars (Chandler, Nassib, Lemon, etc.) and make these guys stars at the collegiate level.
5. FHCDM won two bowls in four seasons after taking over the worse progam in FBS. He took the Bills to their best record in years. The guy can COACH and we say he was a bad recruiter BUT that was in the Big East, not the ACC. No IPF was built. No big names were coming to the Dome when we were in the Big East! (Yes Cinci and Louisville were ranked but have no where near the prestige of Clemson, FSU, LSU, etc.)

Ask people who they would rather have as a Head Coach (I did not say recruiter) and to coach one big game if we needed to win and the majority of people would say Dougie. Do I like some of what SS is doing? Yeah, I do. The kids do seem to love to play for him, the parents seem to like him. He is energetic and I love that about him. But I would classify those attributes as a coordinator.

Would I take Doug over SS? Yes, I would. Would I take SS as a D Coordinator over being a HC? Yes, but I don't see him taking that demotion as I would not expect him to.