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This is my annual post-season review of what I wrote in my pre-season preview of SU football. The italicized sections are from my preview, which I posted last August, before the Central Connecticut game.
The Season
We want this era’s Nebraska game, Penn State game and West Virginia game. We want to expect a winning season every year, which now means we’d go to a bowl game every year.
Well, we got this era’s Nebraska game. We are still waiting for the rest.
2015 vs. 2016
Scott Shafer went 4-8 in his last year. Dino Babers went 4-8 in his first year. Here are the common opponents and our results against them:
Opponent Shafer Babers Advantage
Wake Forest 30-17 9-28 Shafer +32
Pittsburgh 20-23 61-76 Shafer +12
Florida State 21-45 14-45 Shafer +7
Louisville 17-41 28-62 Shafer +10
Clemson 27-37 0-54 Shafer +44
NC State 29-42 20-35 Shafer +2
Boston College 20-17 28-20 Babers +5
Total 164-222 160-320 Shafer +102
Opponent Babers1 Babers2 Advantage
Wake Forest 9-28 43-64 Babers1 +2
Pittsburgh 61-76 27-24 Babers2 +18
Florida State 14-45 24-27 Babers2 +28
Louisville 28-62 10-56 Babers1 -12
Clemson 0-54 27-24 Babers2 +57
NC State 20-35 25-33 Babers2 +7
Boston College 28-20 14-42 Babers1 +5
Total 160-320 170-270 Babers2 +60
We did improve, incrementally, but did not perform as well as we did in Scott Shafer’s last year. I think both of Baber’s years have been a bit more difficult that Shafer’s last year. We had three legitimate national title contenders in the division in 2016 and this year several programs that had been rebuilding began to blossom: there were no easy games at all. Shafer also had both LSU and Clemson at home and those were our two highest rated opponents that season. Still, we seem to be spinning our wheels and we need to see some traction next year.
Last year’s team had three anomalies. Scott Shafer’s favorite play was a punt. Dino Babers hates to punt. We punted 67 times in 2015. We punted 80 times in 2016. Babers doesn’t like to run his quarterback: they get injured too much. Shafer had quarterback runs as part of his offense. In 2015, Eric Dungey, Zach Mahoney, Terrell Hunt and Austin Wilson carried the ball 134 times. That includes 21 sacks so that’s 113 actual running plays, (some of which were scrambles). In 2016 Dungey, Mahoney and Wilson had 171 carries, which minus 38 sacks is 133 actual running plays, (including scrambles). Our offense in 2015 ranked 118th in the country with 320 yards a game and 77th in the country with 27.3 points per game. Our offense in 2016 improved to 42nd in the country with 441 yards per game – but fell to 90th in the country with 25.7 points per game.
The main reason for these anomalies was that we had no running game to speak of. That meant that we couldn’t gain first downs in short yardage situations and that we had trouble punching the ball into the end zone in the “red zone” where the area the defense has to cover shrinks. I remember seeing our quarterback in an “empty” backfield on the 1 yard line as we had no goal line package. That gave him five receivers but they were covered by 7 players and had only 11 yards to find an open space. Strangely, Jordan Fredericks, who, as a freshman had led the team with 607 yards rushing at 5.7 a clip was third string hand only got the ball only 28 times. He managed 5.0 yards per carry. He’s now gone, having transferred out. His replacement as feature back was Dontae Strickland, who gained 566 yards but at only 3.5 yards per carry. The alternative was speedy but slight Moe Neal, who ran 42 yards for a score against Colgate on his first carry and averaged 5.3 on 68 carries. But he wasn’t strong enough to be a feature back and will apparently be more of a runner/receiver hybrid this year, a role he seems more suited to.
There was a huge reduction in the number of punts in 2017 from 80 last year to 58 this year. The opposition punted 72 times. It was all about our third and fourth down success. We had 111 successful conversions on those downs to 61 for our opposition. That’s 50 more extended possessions.
Our quarterbacks had 174 carries this year, minus 32 sacks for a net 147 carries, up from 113 last year. I think it’s just a coach adjusting to his available talent. It’s Dungey’s instinct to run when there is an opening and he has said he feels he can protect Eric better on a designed run than on a scramble. Thinking back, his injury against Central Michigan in 2015 was in the pocket. His season ending injury against Louisville was a scramble. His season ending injury against Clemson the next year, per Dino came on a missed handoff where he decided to keep the ball and follow the running back into the line. This year, it came on an interception. So he doesn’t seem to have been hurt on designed running plays.
The need to get rushing yard from the quarterback comes from the lack of production from the running back positon. That improved marginally this year Strickland and Neal totaled 970 yards on 220 carries , a 4.4 average and 5TDs. Last year they totaled 923 yards on 230 carries, (4.0) and 6Tds. That still isn’t good enough, especially since all those sideline passes should open up the middle of the field to be gashed by the running game. Our line has to mature and be upgraded and we may need new personal toting the ball to make real gains. Until then, having the quarterback fake the handoff and keep it is our only alternative- and the only element of deception our running attack can have with a single RB back there. A combination of Strickland as the primary running back and Neal has a Lenny Moore type hybrid runner/receiver would be more effective and allow the quarterback to concentrate on passing.
The trend of producing yards more than point continued. We were 25th in the country in yards produced
with 456.3 yards per game but 76th, (of 130 teams) in the country with 27.4 ppg. The 65th team in the country scored 28.8 so we are in an era where we have to score 30 points to win an average game. We did that 3 times in 12 games. A big reason was that we couldn’t get turnovers. We went 8 games without a defensive turnover. On the year we were -12 in turnovers. As a comparison our 2001 team was outgained on the year but went 10-3 because, (thanks to Dwight Freeney) we were +15 in turnovers. This year was the flip side of that. We also got no kick or returns for scores. Evan Foster got a pick 6 vs. Central Michigan. We got one blocked kick for a score- but it was a 2 point PAT play. So the offense got little help on the scoreboard from defense and special teams. But a lack of explosive plays was an issue, especially in the passing game. In Dino’s second year at Eastern Illinois, they completed 357 passes for 53 touchdowns. In his second year at Bowling Green they completed 398 passes for 47 touchdowns. In his second year at Syracuse we completed 320 passes for 20 touchdowns. The average per catch dropped form 13.7 in 2013 to 12.4 in 2015 to 11.1 this year. Obviously we aren’t going to put up EIU numbers or BG numbers in the Atlantic Division of the ACC but it’s clear we aren’t throwing deep as much here as Dinos teams did in his last two stops. Either that or they are getting a lot less YAC. At EIU, they averaged 5.1 yards per rush and scored 32 TDs. At BG it was 4.6 and 34 TDs. This year it was 4.0 and 16TDs. Again a talent upgrades both up front and around them is probably the answer here.
Baber’s schemes on both sides of the ball seem heavily dependent on the lines. That’s nothing new in football but it’s a problem here because we don’t tend to have dominant lines here. We get occasional superior individuals like Justin Pugh or Art Jones but we don’t get entire lines of players like that. Last season Coach Babers said on his show that he wants more strength on the offensive line to get his running game going. Matt Park interpreted strength as ‘size’ and quoted the heights and weights of our next opponent as what we have to shoot for. I looked up their heights and weights of our starting offensive linemen and they were actually bigger than that. (I’d actually prefer lighter, quicker linemen: the Denver Broncos have had great success with 280 pounders for years. If you get there furstest, you’ll have the moistest.) I called in about that and Dino said it’s not about heights and weights. He wants both lower body strength and also quickness. That’s an infrequent combination and guys with both those qualities are a lot more likely to wind up at Ohio State or Alabama than Syracuse.
Defensively, he wants all the pressure he needs on the other team’s backfield to come from the front four so the ‘back seven’ and cover passes and converge on running plays. Scott Shafer was a “bring the house” guy. By the end of the season, Babers, (through his DC, Brian Ward), was starting to use more and more blitzes to get defensive pressure. I think we need to maximize our offensive versatility and deception to make up for the fact that not every one of our linemen will be a Justin Pugh. And I think we need to be willing to “bring the house” on defense to disrupt the offense and create big plays, even if we might give some up as well. But apparently, we will continue to go with the straight-ahead, one back running game, hoping the pass will open it up. If we use more receivers and throw to all parts of the field that might happen. And we will continue to circle the wagons and converge on the play on defense. I hope it works better in year 2 of the Babers Era than it did in year 1.
Our young offensive line grew up as the season progressed. Their run blocking got better. Their pass blocking was inconsistent but not terrible. We’ve got some 4 star types coming in for next year so They could show considerable improvement next year. For the second straight year, we didn’t spread the ball around enough. Our top two receivers in 2016 had 94 and 90 catches. The third place guy had 48. This year it was 105 and 89. The third place guy had 33. At EIU in 2013 the lead receiver had 123, the second place guy 85, the third place guy 51, fourth 48, fifth 31. At BG in 2015 it was 94, 85, 72, 56. There wil always be a #1 option and a #2 option but we need to build up the other options so the defesne ahs to cover all of them. Again, maturity or a talent upgrade is the key.
The front seven on defense performed very well most of the year until the length of the schedule and the quality of the opposition wore them down. We’ll have to replace all the linebackers and that’s a big concern but the biggest question is whether our best lineman, Chris Slayton, will come back for his senior year or test the NFL waters. Brian Ward became something of a Shafer convert and brought pressure many times during the season. Unfortunately injuries to the safety positon made us vulnerable in the backfield and we gave up far too many long scoring plays. On virtually every replay, the safety seemed to be out of position. If Antwan Cordy could finally have a healthy season next year, it could make a huge difference. I remember when the Colts were contending for Super Bowls, the quality of their defense often depended on whether Bob Sanders, their star safety, was healthy. Cordy could be our Bob Sanders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Sanders \
The Season
We want this era’s Nebraska game, Penn State game and West Virginia game. We want to expect a winning season every year, which now means we’d go to a bowl game every year.
Well, we got this era’s Nebraska game. We are still waiting for the rest.
2015 vs. 2016
Scott Shafer went 4-8 in his last year. Dino Babers went 4-8 in his first year. Here are the common opponents and our results against them:
Opponent Shafer Babers Advantage
Wake Forest 30-17 9-28 Shafer +32
Pittsburgh 20-23 61-76 Shafer +12
Florida State 21-45 14-45 Shafer +7
Louisville 17-41 28-62 Shafer +10
Clemson 27-37 0-54 Shafer +44
NC State 29-42 20-35 Shafer +2
Boston College 20-17 28-20 Babers +5
Total 164-222 160-320 Shafer +102
Opponent Babers1 Babers2 Advantage
Wake Forest 9-28 43-64 Babers1 +2
Pittsburgh 61-76 27-24 Babers2 +18
Florida State 14-45 24-27 Babers2 +28
Louisville 28-62 10-56 Babers1 -12
Clemson 0-54 27-24 Babers2 +57
NC State 20-35 25-33 Babers2 +7
Boston College 28-20 14-42 Babers1 +5
Total 160-320 170-270 Babers2 +60
We did improve, incrementally, but did not perform as well as we did in Scott Shafer’s last year. I think both of Baber’s years have been a bit more difficult that Shafer’s last year. We had three legitimate national title contenders in the division in 2016 and this year several programs that had been rebuilding began to blossom: there were no easy games at all. Shafer also had both LSU and Clemson at home and those were our two highest rated opponents that season. Still, we seem to be spinning our wheels and we need to see some traction next year.
Last year’s team had three anomalies. Scott Shafer’s favorite play was a punt. Dino Babers hates to punt. We punted 67 times in 2015. We punted 80 times in 2016. Babers doesn’t like to run his quarterback: they get injured too much. Shafer had quarterback runs as part of his offense. In 2015, Eric Dungey, Zach Mahoney, Terrell Hunt and Austin Wilson carried the ball 134 times. That includes 21 sacks so that’s 113 actual running plays, (some of which were scrambles). In 2016 Dungey, Mahoney and Wilson had 171 carries, which minus 38 sacks is 133 actual running plays, (including scrambles). Our offense in 2015 ranked 118th in the country with 320 yards a game and 77th in the country with 27.3 points per game. Our offense in 2016 improved to 42nd in the country with 441 yards per game – but fell to 90th in the country with 25.7 points per game.
The main reason for these anomalies was that we had no running game to speak of. That meant that we couldn’t gain first downs in short yardage situations and that we had trouble punching the ball into the end zone in the “red zone” where the area the defense has to cover shrinks. I remember seeing our quarterback in an “empty” backfield on the 1 yard line as we had no goal line package. That gave him five receivers but they were covered by 7 players and had only 11 yards to find an open space. Strangely, Jordan Fredericks, who, as a freshman had led the team with 607 yards rushing at 5.7 a clip was third string hand only got the ball only 28 times. He managed 5.0 yards per carry. He’s now gone, having transferred out. His replacement as feature back was Dontae Strickland, who gained 566 yards but at only 3.5 yards per carry. The alternative was speedy but slight Moe Neal, who ran 42 yards for a score against Colgate on his first carry and averaged 5.3 on 68 carries. But he wasn’t strong enough to be a feature back and will apparently be more of a runner/receiver hybrid this year, a role he seems more suited to.
There was a huge reduction in the number of punts in 2017 from 80 last year to 58 this year. The opposition punted 72 times. It was all about our third and fourth down success. We had 111 successful conversions on those downs to 61 for our opposition. That’s 50 more extended possessions.
Our quarterbacks had 174 carries this year, minus 32 sacks for a net 147 carries, up from 113 last year. I think it’s just a coach adjusting to his available talent. It’s Dungey’s instinct to run when there is an opening and he has said he feels he can protect Eric better on a designed run than on a scramble. Thinking back, his injury against Central Michigan in 2015 was in the pocket. His season ending injury against Louisville was a scramble. His season ending injury against Clemson the next year, per Dino came on a missed handoff where he decided to keep the ball and follow the running back into the line. This year, it came on an interception. So he doesn’t seem to have been hurt on designed running plays.
The need to get rushing yard from the quarterback comes from the lack of production from the running back positon. That improved marginally this year Strickland and Neal totaled 970 yards on 220 carries , a 4.4 average and 5TDs. Last year they totaled 923 yards on 230 carries, (4.0) and 6Tds. That still isn’t good enough, especially since all those sideline passes should open up the middle of the field to be gashed by the running game. Our line has to mature and be upgraded and we may need new personal toting the ball to make real gains. Until then, having the quarterback fake the handoff and keep it is our only alternative- and the only element of deception our running attack can have with a single RB back there. A combination of Strickland as the primary running back and Neal has a Lenny Moore type hybrid runner/receiver would be more effective and allow the quarterback to concentrate on passing.
The trend of producing yards more than point continued. We were 25th in the country in yards produced
with 456.3 yards per game but 76th, (of 130 teams) in the country with 27.4 ppg. The 65th team in the country scored 28.8 so we are in an era where we have to score 30 points to win an average game. We did that 3 times in 12 games. A big reason was that we couldn’t get turnovers. We went 8 games without a defensive turnover. On the year we were -12 in turnovers. As a comparison our 2001 team was outgained on the year but went 10-3 because, (thanks to Dwight Freeney) we were +15 in turnovers. This year was the flip side of that. We also got no kick or returns for scores. Evan Foster got a pick 6 vs. Central Michigan. We got one blocked kick for a score- but it was a 2 point PAT play. So the offense got little help on the scoreboard from defense and special teams. But a lack of explosive plays was an issue, especially in the passing game. In Dino’s second year at Eastern Illinois, they completed 357 passes for 53 touchdowns. In his second year at Bowling Green they completed 398 passes for 47 touchdowns. In his second year at Syracuse we completed 320 passes for 20 touchdowns. The average per catch dropped form 13.7 in 2013 to 12.4 in 2015 to 11.1 this year. Obviously we aren’t going to put up EIU numbers or BG numbers in the Atlantic Division of the ACC but it’s clear we aren’t throwing deep as much here as Dinos teams did in his last two stops. Either that or they are getting a lot less YAC. At EIU, they averaged 5.1 yards per rush and scored 32 TDs. At BG it was 4.6 and 34 TDs. This year it was 4.0 and 16TDs. Again a talent upgrades both up front and around them is probably the answer here.
Baber’s schemes on both sides of the ball seem heavily dependent on the lines. That’s nothing new in football but it’s a problem here because we don’t tend to have dominant lines here. We get occasional superior individuals like Justin Pugh or Art Jones but we don’t get entire lines of players like that. Last season Coach Babers said on his show that he wants more strength on the offensive line to get his running game going. Matt Park interpreted strength as ‘size’ and quoted the heights and weights of our next opponent as what we have to shoot for. I looked up their heights and weights of our starting offensive linemen and they were actually bigger than that. (I’d actually prefer lighter, quicker linemen: the Denver Broncos have had great success with 280 pounders for years. If you get there furstest, you’ll have the moistest.) I called in about that and Dino said it’s not about heights and weights. He wants both lower body strength and also quickness. That’s an infrequent combination and guys with both those qualities are a lot more likely to wind up at Ohio State or Alabama than Syracuse.
Defensively, he wants all the pressure he needs on the other team’s backfield to come from the front four so the ‘back seven’ and cover passes and converge on running plays. Scott Shafer was a “bring the house” guy. By the end of the season, Babers, (through his DC, Brian Ward), was starting to use more and more blitzes to get defensive pressure. I think we need to maximize our offensive versatility and deception to make up for the fact that not every one of our linemen will be a Justin Pugh. And I think we need to be willing to “bring the house” on defense to disrupt the offense and create big plays, even if we might give some up as well. But apparently, we will continue to go with the straight-ahead, one back running game, hoping the pass will open it up. If we use more receivers and throw to all parts of the field that might happen. And we will continue to circle the wagons and converge on the play on defense. I hope it works better in year 2 of the Babers Era than it did in year 1.
Our young offensive line grew up as the season progressed. Their run blocking got better. Their pass blocking was inconsistent but not terrible. We’ve got some 4 star types coming in for next year so They could show considerable improvement next year. For the second straight year, we didn’t spread the ball around enough. Our top two receivers in 2016 had 94 and 90 catches. The third place guy had 48. This year it was 105 and 89. The third place guy had 33. At EIU in 2013 the lead receiver had 123, the second place guy 85, the third place guy 51, fourth 48, fifth 31. At BG in 2015 it was 94, 85, 72, 56. There wil always be a #1 option and a #2 option but we need to build up the other options so the defesne ahs to cover all of them. Again, maturity or a talent upgrade is the key.
The front seven on defense performed very well most of the year until the length of the schedule and the quality of the opposition wore them down. We’ll have to replace all the linebackers and that’s a big concern but the biggest question is whether our best lineman, Chris Slayton, will come back for his senior year or test the NFL waters. Brian Ward became something of a Shafer convert and brought pressure many times during the season. Unfortunately injuries to the safety positon made us vulnerable in the backfield and we gave up far too many long scoring plays. On virtually every replay, the safety seemed to be out of position. If Antwan Cordy could finally have a healthy season next year, it could make a huge difference. I remember when the Colts were contending for Super Bowls, the quality of their defense often depended on whether Bob Sanders, their star safety, was healthy. Cordy could be our Bob Sanders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Sanders \