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Message: [QUOTE="retro44, post: 872255, member: 587"] 1-5 vs. each. Can we **** about hiring an ethically-challenged 62-year old head coach who everyone wanted fired when he was actually here and whose teams continually underachieved? A coach who gave us 47-0 and 66-13? A coach who was so stupid he didn't realize what he had in Dorsey and was still trying to force Kenny Kelly down everyone's throats at the end of the '99 season—even after the struggling 5-4 team had gone 3-0 and lit up the scoreboard in KK's absence? Trust me, if you don't like Golden, you would not like Butch. They're one in the same in that both know how to stock the cupboard but don't know a damn thing to do with the ingredients. As bad as Coker was, he was a much better gameday coach than Butch ever was. The sad reality is that if Butch had not left, we never would have won the NC in 2001. With him as head coach, even that team inevitably would have found a way to lose. [/QUOTE]