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Message: [QUOTE="OrangeDW, post: 2113933, member: 2458"] Disagree on Johnson and Roberson(to an extent). Johnson is a good college bball player. No reason to think he wouldn't be here. White and Gillon were good college bball players elsewhere and came here...and were good college bball players. Good players are good players. It took Johnson a few years to do so, which didn't used to be such a big deal. But he's there. And he showed plenty of signs at Cuse of being on the way. Roberson is a role player. That's his skill level. He can't shoot. He can finish at the rim adequately, is a good athlete and rebounder, and a pretty good defender. Yes it sucks that he didn't develop into more like so many offensively raw but athletic SU forwards have in the past. But still...he's a valuable player. Even this year, he's a valuable player. Not everybody is a star. If you can't shoot, you can't shoot. [/QUOTE]