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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 742104, member: 40"] I never said anything about groups of players coming forward at SU, I was responding to your skepticism about whether disgruntled transfers and / or former players grind their ax when given an opportunity and platform to do so. And something of that sort absolutely did happen at Syracuse. You might remember from your time as a member of the local media that during the 1992 investigation, a player who'd transferred out of the program alleged that while at SU, he'd had grades changed as part of his testimony to the Post-Standard [public knowledge who I'm talking about]. Unfortunately, said player couldn't remember the classes, or the name of the professors who ostensibly changed his grades. And those allegations weren't part of the ultimate NCAA findings that went against us in 1992. I don't know whether his allegations were true or not--but I'm skeptical about his inability to back up his story with specifics. Similarly, I'm also skeptical when accusations are levied against people who are deceased and conveniently can't defend themselves. Since I have to spell out the correlation, here it is: in the OSU article today, some of the people implicated as being the most egregious when it came to providing money / illegal benefits were deceased. Doesn't make the allegations false--where there's smoke, there's fire. But I'm more skeptical when the deceased are scapegoated in big scandals, same way that I am skeptical about the SU transfer's claims due to his inability to provide specifics. One more thing: I don't follow Oklahoma State football, so most of the players quoted in the article weren't familiar to me. I don't know if the players who came forward were key guys for them [on paper, I'd attribute more credibility to info coming from this group--my opinion only], people who never played, players who transferred, or players who stayed but are disgruntled b/c they never benefited from the alumni network after leaving the program, etc. I'm not sure how me pointing that out in my OP was somehow interpreted by you as implying that this must be a conspiracy between a group of dishonest players intentionally lying to the media. I'm not defending OSU or suggesting that these allegations don't have merit--to the contrary, I think they're in big trouble given the muck that this extensive report suggests they found under the rock. [/QUOTE]

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