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Message: [QUOTE="UpstateSM, post: 5279682, member: 7260"] At the end of the JB era the players did not look like they were having fun and also didn't appear to be playing particularly hard. I was not a big fan of going in-house but one of the biggest reasons that it wasn't hard to convince myself that it would work was because I thought those two things would immediately change under Red. They haven't. At all. You could even argue that they have gotten worse. If you aren't going to be a good basketball team, you at least need to be fun to watch and/or play your balls off for 40 minutes every game. Instead, we are bad at basketball and it is very hard to find any joy watching us play. That leads to a level of apathy that continues to reach levels that I never thought would be possible five years ago. [/QUOTE]