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To be honest, I feel bad for St. Francis...

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We were out played and out coached tonight. At the end of the day, it was simply our superior athleticism and talent that allowed us to win. We did not PLAY like the better team.

Ugly, ugly win. We need to turn things around in a hurry.
 
Doesn't it figure--they pretty much avoid turning the ball over all game, and then cough it up twice in the last minute with the game on the line.

I'll take it. We needed some luck, and got it today.
 
We learn a lot about this team next week. March is a long way away, but we aren't going to be able to out-athletic Baylor/Minnesota/Arkansas/Gonzaga. Time to see what this team is made of.
 
I don't feel bad at all. We ARE the better team...a lot better...just didn't play like it tonight. But good teams find ways to win and sometimes need some luck to pull out wins over the course of a long season!
 
On the bright side, a win is a win. And JBs presser should be fairly epic.

It's early in the season and we know we have work to do. St. Francis outworked us for huge stretches of that game. But there's nothing in our loss column.
 
This might be one of the elusive 'cuse teams that gets better come March.
 
If there is any trend that seems to have begun to emerge (and there were some hints of it in Canada) is this may be one of those "plays to the level of its opponent".
Maui will show if that's the case. If you remember the 2003 team had some of that in their system. Games up 17 they come back, Games down 17 we come back.
 
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I dont ever feel bad for the enemy. ever. strike hard, strike fast, no mercy sir!
 
I get that.

They choked it away pretty bad. Think we deserved to win. We didn't lose focus (or whatever focus we had tonight), at the end of the game. They did. It sucks for them, but if you want to win against a top team you can't do that.

I'm not sure their coach did them any favors by calling 25 timeouts in the last 2 minutes if the game. Also, we got to be on the other end of a team trying to salt the game away with stall ball. Problem is you can't stall ball the king of stall ball. Rookie mistake by SFB.
 
dissagree about us being outcoached. We shut down the inside late in the game defensively. up two giving the ball to jeremy at the halfcourt line with 30 seconds left was alittle cardiac though.

Jeremy remember those two freethrows whenever you step to the line to shoot your first one. visualize that moment even on the road, you looked automatic on those two.

love the play where the 6'3 st francis player dribbled into a triple team of 3 of our 6'7-6'10 guys and got a automatic whistle. I guess if you can't see the player its a foul.
 
dissagree about us being outcoached. We shut down the inside late in the game defensively. up two giving the ball to jeremy at the halfcourt line with 30 seconds left was alittle cardiac though.

Jeremy remember those two freethrows whenever you step to the line to shoot your first one. visualize that moment even on the road, you looked automatic on those two.

love the play where the 6'3 st francis player dribbled into a triple team of 3 of our 6'7-6'10 guys and got a automatic whistle. I guess if you can't see the player its a foul.

I don't know - they seemed pretty shaky with the ball at times and we never tried to change the tempo of the game until it was almost too late.

Also, on that one press that dude had stepped out of bounds before he saved it...they still turned it over. I guess I could be wrong, but I doubt it!
 
We were out played and out coached tonight. At the end of the day, it was simply our superior athleticism and talent that allowed us to win. We did not PLAY like the better team.

Ugly, ugly win. We need to turn things around in a hurry.
Ummm, feel "bad" for St. Francis? Really?

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CJ and Grant went 4 for 4 from the foul line when it mattered most. The Orange closed the game with a 10-0 run. But other than that, they did not look like the 9th best team in the country! But you have to hand it to St. Francis. That was a very well played game. Those guys were tough!
 
We were out played and out coached tonight. At the end of the day, it was simply our superior athleticism and talent that allowed us to win. We did not PLAY like the better team.

Ugly, ugly win. We need to turn things around in a hurry.
I have to respectfully disagree with the outcoached part. I posted this in another thread: JB thoroughly won the coaching matchup during winning time. He changed his approach, played it possession to possession, subbed offense/defense masterfully and ground out the win. In a game played in the 50s and within 4 points the entire second half, a 10-0 closing run is pretty dominant.

I think it's important to realize that JB is still figuring out what he has here. A lot of new faces being put into new and/or unfamiliar roles. He is going to take some time to figure out who fits best in which situations. Once he watches this tape, I think he'll be more willing to roll with DC2 in a game like this, for example. Dajuan has been behind the other two defensively , but those differences were marginal in this game (and we surely could have used his board work and scoring)
 
I don't know - they seemed pretty shaky with the ball at times and we never tried to change the tempo of the game until it was almost too late.
This was my biggest ?? during the game - I was mildly shocked that JB didn't bring the trunkmonkey at some point midway through the 2nd half when they SFB was grinding the game to a virtual halt.
 
Didn't that happen last year?
1996 also comes to mind.
We may lose an early game this year. Hey other teams do it. We saw that last night. When we start strong we tend not to finish as strong. Toughing out the ugly wins is important. Young players will get better as the season progresses. I still think this is a dangerous team late in the season. Just need the pieces to fall into place.
 
I have to respectfully disagree with the outcoached part. I posted this in another thread: JB thoroughly won the coaching matchup during winning time. He changed his approach, played it possession to possession, subbed offense/defense masterfully and ground out the win. In a game played in the 50s and within 4 points the entire second half, a 10-0 closing run is pretty dominant.

I think it's important to realize that JB is still figuring out what he has here. A lot of new faces being put into new and/or unfamiliar roles. He is going to take some time to figure out who fits best in which situations. Once he watches this tape, I think he'll be more willing to roll with DC2 in a game like this, for example. Dajuan has been behind the other two defensively , but those differences were marginal in this game (and we surely could have used his board work and scoring)
My thing is, with the coaching part, not so much about the rotation as the overall approach to the game. It's the same reason we lost games against Vermont and Butler - JB absolutely, steadfastly refuses to dictate the tempo even when he's got a team that's far superior athletically and thrives in transition, and he's going against a team that wants to slow it down and grind it out. We suck in the halfcourt. We've never had a good halfcourt offense, and it's especially bad when 1) you have a freshman point guard still getting used to this level, and 2) your best player is not making ANY shots.

So why not pressure them? I know JB said we aren't a good pressing team, but really? With our length and our athleticism, we can't press freaking St. Francis and force them into more turnovers and get some easy buckets, especially when we were struggling to score in the halfcourt sets?

It blows my mind that JB just consistently permits the other team to dictate the tempo in games like this. It works against us so damn much. Remember, before Gbinije's go-ahead basket, we had gone nearly 9 minutes without a field goal. But we were content to sit back in the zone and not try to create any easy baskets at the other end, and our offense consisted of a big man coming to the top of the key to receive a pass, three guys standing around doing nothing, and one guard trying like crazy to get open to get the ball back from the post player with the ball.

Sure, we made a couple adjustments down the stretch, but my point is we should have NEVER been in the position against St. Freaking Francis where adjustments were even needed.
 
Right now I think priority number one is to get the guards to look to attack more using the high screen and get jerami going. If we can get improvement there it should make life easier for cj and trevor.
 
My thing is, with the coaching part, not so much about the rotation as the overall approach to the game. It's the same reason we lost games against Vermont and Butler - JB absolutely, steadfastly refuses to dictate the tempo even when he's got a team that's far superior athletically and thrives in transition, and he's going against a team that wants to slow it down and grind it out. We suck in the halfcourt. We've never had a good halfcourt offense, and it's especially bad when 1) you have a freshman point guard still getting used to this level, and 2) your best player is not making ANY shots.

So why not pressure them? I know JB said we aren't a good pressing team, but really? With our length and our athleticism, we can't press freaking St. Francis and force them into more turnovers and get some easy buckets, especially when we were struggling to score in the halfcourt sets?

It blows my mind that JB just consistently permits the other team to dictate the tempo in games like this. It works against us so damn much. Remember, before Gbinije's go-ahead basket, we had gone nearly 9 minutes without a field goal. But we were content to sit back in the zone and not try to create any easy baskets at the other end, and our offense consisted of a big man coming to the top of the key to receive a pass, three guys standing around doing nothing, and one guard trying like crazy to get open to get the ball back from the post player with the ball.

Sure, we made a couple adjustments down the stretch, but my point is we should have NEVER been in the position against St. Freaking Francis where adjustments were even needed.
Syracuse thrives in transition . . . when it generates turnovers out of its half court defense. We've seen the press often enough over the years to know that it very rarely succeeds nearly as well as the bread and butter defense. Case in point last night: he tinkers with a few parts, tightens the screws and voila - 3 steals, 1 block and 5 points off turnovers in the final 3:10 (versus only 4 POT in the previous 17 minutes)
 
Really all good teams need a solid transition game. In our games they talk about it a lot but top 10 teams are almost always ranked that high because they can get out and run and get easy buckets be it through creating turnovers or guards leaking out after every shot
 

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