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Message: [QUOTE="sutomcat, post: 1720010, member: 27"] This is a lot closer to my list than the others I have seen. Agree, Owens was an unbelievable talent and he has to be listed in the top 5 Orangemen ever. One of our best ever at scoring, rebounding and passing and he got a ton of steals and blocks too. Not knock on JW, who was also an all-time great, but he couldn't do anything quite as well as Billy could. Agree. You have to include Hanson. Any national player of the year, member of the CB HOF has to be a top 12 player. I think Joseph Schwartzer should be included too. He was an AA, best player in the county his senior year and also led SU to a national title. When people make these lists, they are always biased towards the players that have played most recently. I saw Hackett play. He was really good, played a key role in getting us to our first Final Four and is often forgotten in these kinds of exercises. I included him but had to cheat to do so. Roosevelt Bouie has to at least be considered, as does Rony Seikaly. So does Wesley Johnson. The other two players who put up great numbers a while ago that might need to be considered are Greg Kohls and Bill Smith. If there was a 3 point circle when Kohls played, his impressive numbers would have been crazy. The problem with these two is that in those days, SU was a regional program. They didn't play a very good schedule and I think you have to take that into account when considering them for this team. There is a reason they didn't get named to AA teams. Anyway, let's consider AA teams. Here is [B][URL='http://www.orangehoops.org/Syracuse%20Awards.htm']a list of all SU AAs in basketball[/URL][/B] from the great orangehoops site. My rule is you have to make at least one AA team in your career in order to be considered (HM doesn't count). Helms Foundation AAs Lew Castle (twice) Joe Schwartzer Bob Marcus Vic Hanson (three times) Billy Gabor (twice, but a 30 man team) I feel forced to ignore the other Helms AAs as they all were members of 30 to 36 members teams. Too big to be meaningful). AP AAs DuVal (3rd team) Hackett (2nd team) Pearl (3rd team twice) Sherman (third team, first team) DC (first name, national player of the year) Billy (first team) Moten (third team) JW (second team) Melo (second team; ha!) Hakim (third team; first team) Wes Johnson (first team) CJ Fair (third team) Rak (third team) My list: 1. Hanson 2. Bing 3. DC 4. Sherman 5. Billy Owens 6. Hakim 7. Melo 8. JW 9. Wes Johnson 10. Pearl 11. Moten 12. tie: Schwartzer/Castle/Gabor/Hackett [/QUOTE]

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