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Message: [QUOTE="nzm136, post: 2329320, member: 2531"] If you're trying to spin that group into having success in the NFL, you're nuts. How they were drafted is irrelevant to how they performed in the League. And your obviously poor definition is irrelevant to who SU has on their team. EDIT: Also, building off the above, there are 704 starters in football (not counting special teams or guys filling in for injured players, or roster/depth chart changes), and the average NFL career is ~3 years. Starters probably have longer lives ... maybe 5 years. That means that there are well over 100 new starters every year. If 'just starting' constitutes doing 'something of note' in your world, then you're doing crazy mental gymnastics. [/QUOTE]