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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 5264171, member: 1969"] Thanks to those who let me know they enjoyed this thread. I didn't create this thread to merely expose NET... certainly part of it was trying to figure out what was going on and note issues with NET as they came up. I think that was reason #3 for me But the main reasons in order, and sort of the findings to date are outlined below. [U][B][I]Reason #1 [/I][/B][/U][I][B]- [/B][U]I do want to track how conferences do in margin / NET because it is so paramount to the foundation of the NCAA tourne[/U][/I][U]y. In particular the ACC, because it is so paramount to Syracuse when we are a middling team[/U][B][U].[/U][/B] I was hoping the ACC would do better than last year, and I could show comparative data, but that point never came up. [B]Unfortunately, even though NET is flawed, there is no metric out there to make the ACC look good this OOC season. [/B] They have been really bad whether you look at W-L, quality games, head to head and margin. [U][B]Reason #2- [/B][/U][B] [/B][U][I]I do legitimately want to know who is the best conference in OOC - by the metric that is most important for NET (margin), and various metrics beyond just NET, and also to see if the various views of performance align. [/I][/U] [B]I think there is no doubt that it is the SEC. No matter how you look at the data, they all align with them being clearly the best[/B] -- be it margin / NET, win%, quality wins, head to head, they are far ahead of everybody. I dislike the SEC organization, and they have a big edge $ wise now, but if they get 11 teams in the tourney all the data here sort of supports it. [B]I think I was also able to successfully back up what 3 teams dominated in Margin and therefore NET - and will dominate in seeds (SEC, B10, B12). Now were those 3 conferences clearly the best taking NET out of the equation. Reason #3[/B] - [U][I]Did margin / NET cause any issues this year in determining who was the best? Does the inherent flaw that NET relies so much on Q4 margin for data cause any problems this year?[/I][/U] Not for the SEC. Its clearly the best in quality games. Unfortunately, not for the ACC. Were just not good, no matter how you look at it. We are closer to the B12 perhaps then NET suggests, but we are in that bottom tier with BE. B10??? A little maybe. They seemed to extend their variances out a bit more in Q4. [B]But it clearly did for the B12 - I think I have been laying it out for a while in this thread, just like last year the B12 has a way of hammering bad teams better than others, even though they dont rank that strongly in quality game. I also dispelled the myth that they play them more often. [/B]All leagues schedule them, why does the B12 do better at it? That's a study in itself, that I would have to be bored to really do. Is it throughout the entire game.. or do they just do way better in the final 10-15 minutes compared to others? Play starters more? Play shorter bench? [B]Reason #4[/B] - [I][U]I did want to try to figure out a bit more about the MWC, and how they managed to do well in the NET era?[/U][/I] No real progress made here. The MWC has been bad this year in OOC, far worse than last year, and will have far less a presence in this tourney. That being said I will try to explain what happened last year. I don't think its particularly dastardly. I think they do some tactical scheduling to help themselves, but the reason they did well last year was probably fairly simple. I'll explore it in another post below. [/QUOTE]

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