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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 5589760, member: 1969"] I don't mean to pick this post, because its a positive take about the ACC and some of the facts are certainly right. I just a think a different spin on the results is needed. Its largely the point that you made the SEC/ACC challenge got us off the rails last year, can get us on the right direction this year, and the huge impact on metrics. I'll discuss below (see a),b)c). I have been more positive about the ACC's improvement this year before the SEC/ACC challenge than most on this board, challenging recent posts that the ACC is dog poop and is basically same old, same old. But that is because I have been tracking the 130 games the conference has already played OOC vs last year, and the differences and improvement were massive, even if we slot in at #4. . We have been far more competitive with the powers this year, and even at #4, we are not that far off #1-#3. So please don't feel like I'm taking a dig at you, but I just want to give I'll just say a more accurate spin in my view, and it's also why I track results from the beginning a) [B]When we went 2-14 last year that is not what sent us off the rail. The ACC was already a hot garbage mess at this point last year in the 130 or so games played before the challenge. It had already went off the rails already before the challenge. [/B]I'll pull up the numbers later but they were terrible. The damage was already done. [B]The 2-14 result was largely the expected output (within a few games) based on how they had played[/B], and the results afterwards were similar. b) [B]Alternatively this year, the ACC had certainly already course corrected significantly from last year before this challenge in the 130 games it had played, even if slotted at #4[/B]. In the approximately 50 competitive games each conference had played they were about the same record. [B]We were already headed in the right direction. This 6-3 record is a validation and confirmation that the ACC continues to move forward, but the huge step had already started. [/B]I will say 6-3 is better than expected, but I thought we could make this a 7-9, 8-8 type challenge entering this, and there was no way a 2-14 would happen. Part of it is because the SEC is down.[B] [/B] c) [B]In terms of the metrics. The challenge is still just 16 games over an ACC OOC slate of about 220 games. And it will about 16 games out of about 80 "competitive games". [/B]Winning these is certainly much better than losing and will move things, but the sample size won't massively impact the metrics. it will improve our eye test though. [/QUOTE]

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