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Message: [QUOTE="44cuse, post: 21277, member: 693"] I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here. I am fairly certain that when he was making that statement, he was not making it with Miami, VT, and BC in mind. If he was, that would be ridiculous because Miami won three BCS games. So the comment was clearly directed at the BE football results post Miami, BC, and VT departure which...have ultimately not been that good. AND, my expanding of the results to include those teams still in the Big East for as long as they have been a part of the league should SUPPORT your assertion. But it doesn't. And that is the whole point. Without Miami and VT, the Big East really has not beaten anyone that was very good or great (with 1 or maybe 2 exceptions). When those teams had that chance, they got beat. So whether you take the data for the last 5 years or the current BE teams for their entirety...nothing changes. UCONN has still not beaten an ACC team with a winning record. CINCY has never beaten a team from the Big 10, ACC, or SEC. SU is the only team to beat a 2 loss team. WVU (easily the most successful of the current BE teams) has never beaten a Big 10 team with a winning record and has never beaten an ACC team with less than 3 losses. This is not stating anything that anybody does not already know and Tranghese was right. Let's try this: Which games are the legit/high caliber wins in the last 5 years. Beating an 11-3 Wake Team? WVU beating an 11-3 Oklahoma team was the best win the conference has had in 5 years. The second best was beating 10-3 Georgia (I had forgotten about this one). But those are the two best by a wide margin. They also lost to a 7-6 FSU team the year after and a 9-4 NC State team the year after that. Those certainly weren't great teams that they lost to. Als0-rans from an almost equally weak conference. They beat an 8-5 Miss St team in 2007. Was that a very good win? How about Pitt. They beat a 6-7 Kentucky team in a bowl game in 2011. They beat an 8-5 UNC team in 2009. Not a great or even very good win. Beat 9-4 Iowa. Good win? Maybe...OK. Lost to a 9-4 OSU team. Lost to a 10-3 Utah team. Louisville...had a chance to play an 11-2 VT team and lost. Lost to 10-3 and 9-4 Utah. The point is, there just are not really any signature wins to point to outside of WVU. Yes, the Wake win could be considered pretty good. But it's a team from a weaker football conference. The Oklahoma win was a great win. But 2 (or 3 if you incude Wake) in 5 years over this number of teams is the equivalent of not beating anyone. I love college football and I love the Big East. But let's at least be realistic about the results. It's not enough to beat the name. You have to beat the name when the name is reasonably good. 44cuse [/QUOTE]

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