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Message: [QUOTE="CardiacCuse, post: 4034848, member: 6979"] you see black and white. i see grey. never have i argued it is ALWAYS better to stay or ALWAYS better to leave early as possible (like you do) youre right that the short term money can vanish...so not taking it when its there is a risk. but you also seem unwilling to admit that [I]sometimes[/I] taking the short term cash now [I]minimizes[/I] (and sometimes seriously so) the odds of "long term money"...which is just obvious to objective observers. i guess you are motivated by the idea that these guys who leave early must never face any type of even mild criticism in any way bc of what they did for the orange...but there's simply a bunch of nuance that your way of looking at things [I]totally disregards...its like youre defending character that isnt even being attacked.[/I] whatever decision a player makes i.e. when to go pro...is generally a risk in some way or other. for the zions of the world, not so much...but for everyone else, yes. [B]for the players who are legit NOT READY to thrive now in the NBA but will be drafted on potential [/B]going early is basically akin to saying "yeah give me my rookie deal and thats all I'll ever want"...for +90something % of them thats how its going to go. which is their decision and if thats what they want then fine...its their life. in my opinion though i think if you asked most players if they want a long or short nba career...almost all would say long. In my opinion players who are ready from day 1 will always have way higher odds of getting a second contract etc, imo. furthermore, i think if you arent in the rotation now bc you arent ready...good luck getting in in the future. im not here trying to tell players what they should want or do... but in the case of ennis and mali, for example, I seriously think those two players couldve gotten better and been in better position to sustain nba careers by staying...even though it mightve risked them not getting drafted at all (small risk) via injury etc...maybe 85%-15% improve-not improve by staying, imo. pretty much all players who stay at syracuse [I]consistently [/I]have better stats year on year...like across the board. christmas, rautins, etc are more of the norm imo...so i dont think any of the players who do stay are risking regression by any means...it simply never happens under boeheim, imo. he gives his players the platform to SHINE by senior year [I]at the latest [/I]...are you not paying attention to how he does it??? he leans on his vets and shows loyalty to the players who stick it out for him. in my opinion by being more open to players staying than you are, i am displaying more faith in the players' ability than you are...I think your opinion reveals that you dont truly think most players are good enough to stick in the NBA...which is ironic to me bc i think you consider your side of the debate to be more pro-player - but its really not (at least not fully) [/QUOTE]

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