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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 2617427, member: 1969"] There are several courses that are tough and fair. That was the case of Shinnecock on Thursday. But when the greens become baked, and pin placements are not appropriate like yesterday afternoon then we have moved from tough to unfair. You are acting as if every course has a -20 type winner. Courses can be made tougher (and still be fair), but many are fine the way they are. Many are in the -5 to -10 vicinity for the winner which is a fine target. [/QUOTE]