UB dropping the "New York" off their logo

[JarHeadJim]

They must of realized that they are second fiddle in NY to us!

http://www.wben.com/UB-Athletics-Emphasizing-Buffalo-Again-Not-NY/22658132

 

[pfister1]

They must of realized that they are second fiddle in NY to us!

http://www.wben.com/UB-Athletics-Emphasizing-Buffalo-Again-Not-NY/22658132

What? They didn't feel like they were getting any juice from associating with SUNY? Talk about a branding nightmare. Can someone explain the difference between UB and Buff State?

 

[cto]

Stony Brook, Binghamton and Albany have done the same thing. They no longer have SUNY (State University of New York) in their names. They are now Stony Brook University, Binghamton University and University at Albany.

https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/

 

[Eric15]

UNC players have probably written term papers with fewer words than the front of these UB jerseys contained. Good idea by them.

 

[Cheriehoop]

About 150 SAT points . Seriously I don't know why there are two SUNY 4 year colleges in Buffalo. I imagine Buff St was initially a teachers college while U of Buffalo used to be a private college till SUNY took it over in the 6o's sometime. Probably wanted the medical school like when the State took over SU's medical school. Wonder if they wanted SU too back then?

 

[ClamOtto]

Stony Brook, Binghamton and Albany have done the same thing. They no longer have SUNY (State University of New York) in their names. They are now Stony Brook University, Binghamton University and University at Albany.

https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/

I can't say I blame them. The SUNY name has no recognition outside New York State. The bad part for SU is that it makes it even more likely outsiders will think SU is part of the public system (Binghamton University is public but Syracuse University is private?).

 

[sutomcat]

About 150 SAT points . Seriously I don't know why there are two SUNY 4 year colleges in Buffalo. I imagine Buff St was initially a teachers college while U of Buffalo used to be a private college till SUNY took it over in the 6o's sometime. Probably wanted the medical school like when the State took over SU's medical school. Wonder if they wanted SU too back then?

They did. They offered to make Syracuse the flagship school for the SUNY system but Syracuse wanted to stay private...

 

[OrangeAl]

They must of realized that they are second fiddle in NY to us!

http://www.wben.com/UB-Athletics-Emphasizing-Buffalo-Again-Not-NY/22658132

The locals were seriously offended when New York overshadowed the Buffalo name on the jerseys.
I guess that leaves us to carry the "New York's college team" banner alone!

 

[SUFaninNJ]

At least they're keeping their signage at Yankee Stadium, right?!

 

[EastCoast2]

They did. They offered to make Syracuse the flagship school for the SUNY system but Syracuse wanted to stay private...

How would this have worked? Like the Penn State system where you have the central school in State College, then random satellite campuses like Penn State Altoona, etc.?

 

[orangenirvana]

They did. They offered to make Syracuse the flagship school for the SUNY system but Syracuse wanted to stay private...

 

[sutomcat]

How would this have worked? Like the Penn State system where you have the central school in State College, then random satellite campuses like Penn State Altoona, etc.?

I don't think so.

SUNY only started in 1948. NYS was really late to embrace the idea. It was literally the last one. When it was decided to move forward, the huge question was whether to go with a centralized system like so many other states had, or a decentralized approach.

I had been told there was talk of SU serving as the central university around which the SUNY system would be built, and that they declined.

Looking further, there was definite strong support for SU as the center of the SUNY system but an obscure minority speaker named Elmer Quinn was able to defeat it and the old decentralized approach we have today was implemented instead. While Chancellor Tolley was against the creation of a SUNY system (it would inevitably hurt SU) it appears he was interested in Syracuse serving as the flagship for SUNY if SUNY had to happen.

Good review of what happened here. Syracuse was hurting for money post WWII and ending up selling its medical school and what would become SUNY Binghamton to the state, along with losing most of its control over the Forestry school. The relationship between SU and the state was really stormy. It is an ugly story.

Based on this history, it is no surprise that Upstate SUNY is so adamant in trying to stop SU from creating a medical school today. They don't share well.

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[Millhouse]

UNC players have probably written term papers with fewer words than the front of these UB jerseys contained. Good idea by them.

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they went way too far emphasizing New York over Buffalo, it looks like a joke

do people in other parts of the country not have any idea what SUNY is? SUNY Buffalo in equal font would be ok but only if people have any idea what SUNY means

UCLA is the big exception but anything that references a larger system before the city usually comes off as rinky dink

U of Arkansas Little Rock, U of Alabama Birmingham, etc

 

[Millhouse]

The locals were seriously offended when New York overshadowed the Buffalo name on the jerseys.
I guess that leaves us to carry the "New York's college team" banner alone!

i don't really blame them. the buffalo looks like it should have an asterisk in front of it at the bottom hem of the jersey

STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK
*Buffalo

 

[orangenirvana]

i don't really blame them. the buffalo looks like it should have an asterisk in front of it at the bottom hem of the jersey

STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK
*Buffalo

I can understand what they were trying to do, but it was doomed for failure from the start.

UB is never going to be known as or named the New York Bulls. That's never going to happen for any college in the state. New York is just different from other states in that regard.

The flagship that houses the major football and basketball programs that represent the state just happens to be a private school in Central NY (that few kids in Upstate NY can ever dream to afford to go to, sadly). It's just the way it is.

 

[pfister1]

I didn't realize that the SUNY system is made up of "64 institutions, including research universities, academic medical centers, liberal arts colleges, community colleges, colleges of technology and an online learning network."

Seems like the system is begging for some consolidation. Does every corner of the state truly need to have one and some cases numerous campuses?

 

[EastCoast2]

I don't think so.

SUNY only started in 1948. NYS was really late to embrace the idea. When it was decided to move forward, the huge question was whether to go with a centralized system like so many other schools had, or a decentralized approach.

I had been told there was talk of SU serving as the central university around which the SUNY system would be built, and that they declined.

Looking further, there was definite strong support for SU as the center of the SUNY system but Elmer Quinn was able to defeat it and the old decentralized approach we have today was implemented instead. While Chancellor Tolley was against the creation of a SUNY system (it would inevitably hurt SU) it appears he was interested in Syracuse serving as the flagship for SUNY if SUNY had to happen.

Good review of what happened here. Syracuse was hurting for money post WWII and ending up selling its medical school and what would become SUNY Binghamton to the state, along with losing most of its control over the Forestry school. The relationship between SU and the state was really stormy. It is an ugly story.

Based on this, it is no surprise that the Upstate SUNY is so adamant in trying to stop SU from creating a medical school today.

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Awesome and thanks for that - very interesting indeed. What's the feasibility of a Syracuse Medical University? I don't doubt for a second Upstate Med is crapping bricks - they're having problems of their own.

 

[sutomcat]

Awesome and thanks for that - very interesting indeed. What's the feasibility of a Syracuse Medical University? I don't doubt for a second Upstate Med is crapping bricks - they're having problems of their own.

I think it is going to happen.

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[jr4750]

I think it is going to happen.

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Tom, have you heard anything over the last 4 or so months on this issue? It's been painfully quiet on the med school front. This was hot and heavy with a lot of support/detractors last Fall and its' kinda disappeared, along with some other noteworthy developments that we thought would be announced by now. Actually just emailed the author of that story to see if we can get an update.

 

[tee1222]

Swift. Adorable. Had to get that off my chest.

 

[sutomcat]

Tom, have you heard anything over the last 4 or so months on this issue? It's been painfully quiet on the med school front. This was hot and heavy with a lot of support/detractors last Fall and its' kinda disappeared, along with some other noteworthy developments that we thought would be announced by now. Actually just emailed the author of that story to see if we can get an update.

I know the decision on what to do with the Dome is supposed to be announced by the end of the semester. So we should have an answer there in the next 30 days or so.

Regarding the medical school, Cuomo gave SU a lot of money (it was one of 6 initiatives in CNY to share a $500 million award) to launch an international design competition aimed at identifying a world-class partner to conceptualize, design and construct the new National Veterans Resource Complex (NVRC). This complex should help build the foundation upon which SU will roll out the new medical school. I think any definitive news is months or years away though.

 

[jr4750]

I know the decision on what to do with the Dome is supposed to be announced by the end of the semester. So we should have an answer there in the next 30 days or so.

Regarding the medical school, Cuomo gave SU a lot of money (it was one of 6 initiatives in CNY to share a $500 million award) to launch an international design competition aimed at identifying a world-class partner to conceptualize, design and construct the new National Veterans Resource Complex (NVRC). This complex should help build the foundation upon which SU will roll out the new medical school. I think any definitive news is months or years away though.

The reporter responded and said she believes SU has backed off this. She didn't specify if it was temporarily or entirely. I imagine you are correct that the IVMF will happen and be a platform to launch a med school at a later time. Perhaps years down the road.

 

[sutomcat]

The reporter responded and said she believes SU has backed off this. She didn't specify if it was temporarily or entirely. I imagine you are correct that the IVMF will happen and be a platform to launch a med school at a later time. Perhaps years down the road.

Backed off on what?

The promise to make a decision on the future of the Dome by the end of this semester?

Or the plan to pursue a new medical school focused on the care of US veterans?

 

[Hoo's That]

They did. They offered to make Syracuse the flagship school for the SUNY system but Syracuse wanted to stay private...

Syracuse - The State University of New York. For some reason I have this eerie feeling that I have heard something similar to this somewhere else, but I just can't seem to quite to remember where.

 

[jr4750]

Backed off on what?

The promise to make a decision on the future of the Dome by the end of this semester?

Or the plan to pursue a new medical school focused on the care of US veterans?

Med school. Didn't ask her about the dome. Her message was very short, I asked for an update on the med school and she simply said she heard SU has back off, nothing further. Don't know if that means forever or for the time being.